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Pastor, Can You Spare Us? (Mike Huckabee/John Hagee)
National Review Online ^ | Deember 21, 2007 | Kathryn Jean Lopez

Posted on 12/22/2007 7:45:57 PM PST by fkabuckeyesrule

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To: Gurn

Swilling propaganda doesn’t make for truth. Blaming the Church for Hitler is simply an egregious lie. Horrific anti-Catholic bigotry on display. F’shame.


61 posted on 12/23/2007 7:08:49 AM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: LadyNavyVet

“First the Mormons, then the Catholics. Who will he tick off next?”

If our party nominates that malicious little goober, Huckabee, we deserve to lose. The article makes some excellent points about the damage that Huckabee is doing to the conservative coalition.


62 posted on 12/23/2007 7:14:59 AM PST by lady lawyer
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To: narses
Now you're using a straw man.

I'm not "swilling propaganda." I asked you if you'd read a couple of books that have withstood scholarly scrutiny. I'll take your response as a "no."

Blaming the Church for Hitler is simply an egregious lie.

I didn't blame the Roman church for Hitler. I said nothing of the sort. I said Hitler's ideas about gradually stripping Jews of their civil, property and political rights was not his originally.

Are you capable of having a rational discussion and thinking critically? Or are you just a shrill little girl?

63 posted on 12/23/2007 7:16:42 AM PST by Gurn (Remember Mountain Meadows.)
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To: incindiary

It appears he has said the Jesus did not come to earth to be the Messiah, so claims that Jews rejected Him as Messiah are false. He says he can back it up in a book he has written, In Defense of Israel.
I have not read the book. I did do a Google search and have read some reviews and seen Hagee’s video clip promoting the book.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7221204206772613234


64 posted on 12/23/2007 7:24:45 AM PST by kalee
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To: Gurn
Your NEW lie, "I didn't blame the Roman church for Hitler.", your ORIGINAL lie:
...Hitler’s blueprint came from the Papists.
Bigots are not entitled to respect, nor are liars. You stand exposed as both. May Our Lord open your eyes to His Truth this Christmas Season.
65 posted on 12/23/2007 7:30:56 AM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: narses
Jeez, what are you, the Spanish Inquisition? (By the way, under which Church's authority were the Jews expelled from Spain in 1492?)

I'll take your lame response as a "no" to my question about whether you're able to think critically. Would you like me to cite sources, or are you just going to wag your boney finger at me and shout "Bigot! Liar!"?

66 posted on 12/23/2007 7:41:21 AM PST by Gurn (Remember Mountain Meadows.)
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To: Responsibility2nd
At least it’s genuine when Pastor Mike speaks at a Church.

I have no such confidence.

67 posted on 12/23/2007 7:42:36 AM PST by the808bass
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To: incindiary
I may be misunderstanding his position, so someone correct me if I’m wrong... but hasn’t Hagee said that Jesus is not the Messiah? Again, not making an accusation, I just want that to be clarified.

The messiah will gather all Jews to Israel, rebuild the Temple, and rule the world from Jerusalem. Since this has not happened the messiah has not come.

Hagee is not saying J*sus is not the messiah (unfortunately from a Jewish/Noachide perspective) but that he won't qualify as the messiah until he does this at the "second coming." If this is heretical, then every single dispensationalist fundamentalist is a heretic. Which would be fine by me, since dispensationalist fundamentalists should be Noachides anyway.

68 posted on 12/23/2007 7:49:44 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (" . . . vehinneh, haseneh bo`er ba'esh, vehaseneh 'enennu 'ukkal.")
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To: narses; Gurn
That would be a FILTHY LIE. Of the worst sort. But you know that, don't you?

I would bet that they don't know that. Ignorance is risk.

69 posted on 12/23/2007 7:50:26 AM PST by the808bass
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To: Gurn

You cannot even acknowledge your self-evident lies here on this thread. Your bigotry has blinded you. BTW Ferdinand and Isabella signed the expulsion order, NOT the Church. But you knewe that too, didn’y you? Your lies and bigotry march on....


70 posted on 12/23/2007 8:06:31 AM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: the808bass

Manifestly so.


71 posted on 12/23/2007 8:07:04 AM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: incindiary
What do you think about him saying that Jesus didn't claim to be the Messiah in word or deed?

I think that is troubling....does someone have a direct quote.....I do know he said Jesus did not come here to be a Messiah if you mean like a "King" to the Jews....that is not in conflict with my SBC upbringing

72 posted on 12/23/2007 8:13:00 AM PST by wardaddy (I have come to the conclusion that even though imperfect....Thompson is my choice by far.)
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To: Mr Rogers

“And am I the only one who takes offense at Jesus being compared to a brand of drink?”

No, you’re not. It was juvenile at best, and Huckabee calling opponents who disagreed with his spending priorities “unChristian” was downright ugly and uncalled for. One wonders what our Lord thinks of being used as a political weapon.


73 posted on 12/23/2007 8:14:40 AM PST by LadyNavyVet (An independent Freeper, not paid by any political campaign.)
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To: lady lawyer

“If our party nominates that malicious little goober, Huckabee, we deserve to lose.”

With the possible exception of Ron Paul, he is the least electable candidate we have.


74 posted on 12/23/2007 8:16:51 AM PST by LadyNavyVet (An independent Freeper, not paid by any political campaign.)
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To: ByteMercenary

Does Hagee have an anounced stand on the border issues?

I think my sect...Southern Baptist Convention are maybe the only ones to have said we need to enforce or borders.

Hagee is right on about social morality issues.

I don’t know his Catholic stuff.....and I am no Catholic expert.


75 posted on 12/23/2007 8:17:17 AM PST by wardaddy (I have come to the conclusion that even though imperfect....Thompson is my choice by far.)
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To: wardaddy; incindiary

See post 27


76 posted on 12/23/2007 8:19:37 AM PST by narses (...the spirit of Trent is abroad once more.)
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To: fkabuckeyesrule

I am just a sinner saved by grace!!! I just wonder if it`s a very good witness for a preacher to be obese?


77 posted on 12/23/2007 8:20:21 AM PST by Friendofgeorge (I HAVE REACHED THE POINT WHERE I CAN NOW SAY, ANYBODY BUT RUDY.)
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To: LadyNavyVet; dixiechick2000; ByteMercenary; Mr. Mojo

I am of the opinion that it is ok to question other Christian sects as well as other religions and to make critical remarks about them. It’s nice to be polite about it though and not call them Spawn of Satan and whatnot.

I don’t think that by itself is bigoted (a much overused and now inaccurate word).

Rudi is Catholic and I think I have seen almost no threads anywhere about how horribles that is. I just wish the somebeach was a genuine Catholic and then he would probably hold views to make him vote worthy..

I never heard anyone answer Huckster’s queries on Mormons....they just railed that he asked to begin with.

Now Hagee is smeared....rightfully or not.

I see two themes here.

Many Catholics here presume themselves Jesuit knights out to protect the faith and brook no critique and many here see Huckster as a seque to smear Fundamentalists and Evangelicals whom they dislike and whom they erroneously believe are the same thing.

The big difference between Fundamentalists (I’m not one) and ALL other Christian sects I know of including Catholics is that Fundamentalists by their very nature are true believers and are for walking the walk.

Charismatics even more so.

And I could gladly support one for POTUS were they right on my other issues. Huckster is not a Fundamentalist or Charismatic...he’s Evangelical ....one can be a lefty on social issues to a degree as an Evangelical...Carter is one.

I should do a thread here to explain this to so many FReepers who don’t have a clue.

I support Fred btw who is like me....a somewhat non-pious Southern protestant believer who was raised right.


78 posted on 12/23/2007 8:30:38 AM PST by wardaddy (I have come to the conclusion that even though imperfect....Thompson is my choice by far.)
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To: WKB

can you respond to above please?

if I am wrong, please correct me gently..lol


79 posted on 12/23/2007 8:32:05 AM PST by wardaddy (I have come to the conclusion that even though imperfect....Thompson is my choice by far.)
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To: narses

That site you are alluding to that makes such claims is a noted Messianic Jews (Jews for Jesus) site.

I can see where their view of how Hagee views Jews and Jesus would be in serious conflict.

So....I take what they purport with a dash of salt.

Hagee claims more or less Jews are still on God’s plan by themselves and have their own reckoning.

Jews for Jesus ain’t gonna like that sorta talk are they?


80 posted on 12/23/2007 8:36:54 AM PST by wardaddy (I have come to the conclusion that even though imperfect....Thompson is my choice by far.)
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