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To: hinckley buzzard

What do you think of the claims here: http://timlambert.org/lott/


11 posted on 12/23/2007 9:09:45 AM PST by Gondring (I'll give up my right to die when hell freezes over my dead body!)
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To: Gondring
Since we are descending to the ad hominem, I had might as well start by pointing out that Tim Lambert has had a long obsession with gun control in general, and John Lott in particular. Over the years, his previously long list of objections has been whittled down to four basic complaints directed at Lott. You can do your own research, and draw your own conclusions, (extensive contemporaneous postings occurred here, at FR, at Clayton Cramer’s blog, and at the Volokh conspiracy blog, as well as at Lott’s own website and blog).

So, what’s the state of play? IMAO, it’s like this:

1: the Mary Rosh sock puppet: Lott was guilty of using an anonymous handle to post comments on the interweb. This is not quite the same thing as posting at FR as “Gondring” or “Absalom”, but has not, after consideration, refuted his findings in his published papers. In fact, Professor Lambert’s continued harping, over-playing, and general snarkiness on this issue has compromised his ability to be accepted as an unbiased observer of Professor Lott’s work. It seems personal this point.

Defensive gun use survey: Lott is accused of making this up. Lott states that this was an afterthought, a quick telephone survey, which has been subsequently re-valided by other work. The claim is this: in the vast majority of cases, persons do not actually have to shoot at, or hit, a criminal assailant to derive a benefit from being armed. This is common sense: Lott hypothesized that a potential crime victim would much more frequently simply say “hey, back off, I have a gun”, or brandish a gun, rather than capping rounds in order to deter an offender. This is almost certainly true, but it contradicts a famously disingenuous finding of the 1995 NEJM Kellerman study that possession of a firearm was not useful in deterring crime.

Bottom line: the campaign to discredit John Lott has been marked by an exceptional level of prevarication, misinformation, innuendo, and general incivility. Lott has emerged as a still-credible investigator, whose original findings have become recognized as almost dispositive regarding crime rates and civilian gun ownership. However, anyone who would dare to undertake similar research has been warned that he or she will be subjected to an intense campaign of intimidation and harassment, which one can only assume has chilled honest debate in this area.

12 posted on 12/23/2007 10:48:20 AM PST by absalom01 (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.)
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To: Gondring
What do I think of the claims at Lambert's site? He has been caught 100 plus times making false claims about sockpuppets and doctoring information.

False claims by Lambert 1

False claims by Lambert 2

20 posted on 12/25/2007 12:00:18 PM PST by richardb72
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