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To: festus
"Police in suburban Scottsdale have begun routinely asking for proof of citizenship from every suspect they arrest..."

festus wrote: I have a real problem having to prove I’m not guilty -vs- the assumption of innocence until proven guilty.

Things must be getting slow down at the old police station. The newspaper story makes this procedure sound like another make work program to me. If as the story states: "Scottsdale Mayor Mary Manross supports the policy change and said that because every suspect is asked about citizenship, police are not engaged in racial profiling."

I often go about my business without carrying anything whatsoever that could be used to identify me, much less prove what state my allegiance is to. It is a rare day when you find me with more than three dollars in my pocket, because almost all of my purchases with the exception of sundry items are made with a credit card. I do have a drivers license because the state sends me one every 5 years for a small fee, but that is in my billfold which sets on the kitchen counter for weeks on end.

I have a question, could any of you tell me what papers you carry to prove your allegiance is to the United States? I do have a birth certificate certified by the clerk of the county in which I was born. Perhaps my DD-214 might be used to establish my allegiance.? Maybe I can use my High School Diploma or how about a transcript of the grades I received while attending college.? Perhaps you would be satisfied if I produced printed cards attesting to my membership in such organizations as the Boy Scouts, the Elks, or the Marine Corps League. I don't carry any of those things with me and I might have to search awhile to find several of them. What do all of you carry?

I have been living in this country for the best part of a Century. During all that time I have never been asked for proof of my citizenship. I fly the Stars and Stripes on a pole right outside my front door, and I am Infuriated with the very thought that anyone especially one of our elected officials would have the audacity to question my citizenship.

Semper Fi
An Old Man

47 posted on 12/23/2007 12:23:34 PM PST by An Old Man (Socialism is a tool designed to "socialize" (i.e., confiscate, not create) wealth)
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To: An Old Man

I have to carry my DL, SS card, Nursing license and CPR cert because any facility I’m in can ask for proof that I am.....who I say I am. If I constantly have to prove I’m legitimately a nurse with a valid license to visit my patients....plus wear a photo ID at all times.....why should they whine about carrying id?


57 posted on 12/23/2007 1:16:15 PM PST by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: An Old Man
I have been living in this country for the best part of a Century. During all that time I have never been asked for proof of my citizenship. I fly the Stars and Stripes on a pole right outside my front door, and I am Infuriated with the very thought that anyone especially one of our elected officials would have the audacity to question my citizenship.

I understand...sympathize..and basically agree....but we are going to have to make some sacrifices in the old way to solve this problem and get back to the country we use to be...the problem is too huge. I'm a pilot type and I remember when the pilots of an airliner left the door open to the cockpit...and because of a few radicals those days are sadly gone forever...the illegal immigration problem is a much larger problem in this country than Islamic terrorism IHMO....and a much larger threat to the American way of life.

Signed: Alan "gladly show my papers..or whatever is required to prove I'm I'm an American citizen" Q

71 posted on 12/23/2007 2:25:01 PM PST by Niteflyr ("If you’re drawing flak, you know you're over the target".)
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To: An Old Man
I am Infuriated with the very thought that anyone especially one of our elected officials would have the audacity to question my citizenship.

Don't speed, don't deal drugs, don't murder, don't harbor criminals and you won't have anyone asking for your paperwork. Problem solved.

84 posted on 12/23/2007 3:03:40 PM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: An Old Man

>>I have been living in this country for the best part of a Century. During all that time I have never been asked for proof of my citizenship.<<

I guess that you’ve never registered to vote in U.S. elections, then, have you?

Would you want someone to register to vote in a U.S. election WITHOUT having to prove U.S. citizenship?


110 posted on 12/24/2007 5:55:23 AM PST by alexander_busek
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To: An Old Man

Unless you only speak Spanish, wear a ball cap with a pot leaf and the word Sinaloa, carry a Chivas backpack and wear your jacket around your waist in the summer, I don’t think you have anything to worry about.


112 posted on 12/24/2007 7:57:32 AM PST by Ajnin (Neca Eos Omnes. Deus Suos Agnoset.)
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To: An Old Man

Hey, old man - get with the program - remember 9-11?

Everyone should carry ID, period.

Since you’ve been around the best part of a Century, try to recall what happened to the Indians! Immigantion must be controlled.


119 posted on 12/24/2007 8:31:41 AM PST by Sonora
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