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Niagara River already at peak economic capacity
Buffalo News ^ | 12/25/07 | Peter Sherman

Posted on 12/25/2007 7:01:54 AM PST by BfloGuy

There have been several items in the Buffalo News lately concerning the harvest of additional electrical energy from the Niagara River without diverting more water from the falls. I will comment here only on a scheme previously proposed in this column to place numerous turbines all along the river bottom.

(Excerpt) Read more at buffalonews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Technical; US: New York
KEYWORDS: renewableenergy
Our congress-critter, Louise "Fairness Doctrine" Slaughter, is proposing a project to install power-generating turbines on the bottom of the Niagara River (clean energy, you know). This engineer claims that they won't work without reducing the output from the existing Niagara Power Project.

Any Freeper engineers out there who, after reading the piece, agree with him or disagree?

1 posted on 12/25/2007 7:01:55 AM PST by BfloGuy
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To: BfloGuy

Yes, he is right and it is obvious to all but the completely mechanically illiterate. I once saw published the idea of sinking a pipe to the bottom of the ocean. Since the pressure down there is very high, it should then be possible to use the pressure differential between the bottom and the surface to drive turbines. Putting turbines in a stream bed is .0001% less stupid.


2 posted on 12/25/2007 7:11:04 AM PST by tickmeister (tickmeister)
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To: BfloGuy

Sounds logical to me, although I’m unclear why free-spinning propellors wouldn’t work to some extent. They can be used to produce power from moving air, why not from moving water?


3 posted on 12/25/2007 7:11:08 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: BfloGuy

Louise Slaughter is a weapons grade idiot.

Anything that this dolt has to say should be taken as a joke.

I live in her district too.


4 posted on 12/25/2007 7:17:09 AM PST by Ouderkirk (Hillary = Senator Incitatus, Clintigula's whore...er, horse.)
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To: Sherman Logan

“although I’m unclear why free-spinning propellors wouldn’t work to some extent”

treetrunks, rope, wire, vines, rocks,- all sorts of stuff comes flying down the river to entangle stuff like that.


5 posted on 12/25/2007 7:33:06 AM PST by spanalot (*)
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To: spanalot

That makes sense. So it would work, just probably not for very long. :)


6 posted on 12/25/2007 7:40:02 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Sherman Logan

“So it would work, just probably not for very long. :)”

Yeah - the first big rain would wash all this junk down the river and clog it up - Hydro dams have a big settling pond so this stuff filters out but a plain riverbottom would get scoured.

If you ever boated at the mouth of a big river after a real heavy rain, you would see an icredible amount of junk - worst things are submerged, waterlogged tree trunks and telephone poles.


7 posted on 12/25/2007 7:49:13 AM PST by spanalot (*)
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To: BfloGuy
*** Any Freeper engineers out there who, after reading the piece, agree with him or disagree? ***

He's right.

My expertise (37 yrs, 38 in Jan) is in HVAC with air & ductwork (Ventilation Systems) but the Laws of Physics don't change. The principles for pipe, water and 'Head Pressure' for a Turbine is the same as for air, ductwork and 'static pressure' for fans (or Air Handling Unit).

This 'plan' is a boondoggle of the Nth degree.

8 posted on 12/25/2007 7:50:52 AM PST by Condor51 (I wouldn't vote for Rooty under any circumstance -- even if Waterboarded!)
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To: tickmeister
it is obvious to all but the completely mechanically illiterate

Well, that would be me, and that's why I asked -- no offense taken, though. Meanwhile we have two proposals for "clean" coal powerplants in Western New York.

One doesn't make sense economically and the other is being held up by the enviros who've made it clear they won't tolerate a single molecule of CO2 being emitted into the air.

I suppose that once we've all switched to fluorescent bulbs, the whole problem will have been solved. Meanwhile Louise will spend a few millions of our money on a project that won't work.

9 posted on 12/25/2007 7:53:51 AM PST by BfloGuy (It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we can expect . . .)
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Why is it that it never occurs to liberal politicians that -- if it would work and it would be economic -- private industry would have found a way to do it long ago?

This is the kind of stuff that used to come out of all-night sessions in college dorm rooms. Is that really the best our political class can do?

10 posted on 12/25/2007 8:00:35 AM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: Condor51

I’ll bet Nikola Tesla would have had some interesting ideas about this!


11 posted on 12/25/2007 8:00:46 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: tickmeister

I once saw published the idea of sinking a pipe to the bottom of the ocean. Since the pressure down there is very high, it should then be possible to use the pressure differential between the bottom and the surface to drive turbines.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

That must have been published by the brother of the financial writer who wrote about all the “new wealth” that had been created by the rapid rise in housing prices.


12 posted on 12/25/2007 8:06:06 AM PST by RipSawyer (Does anyone still believe this is a free country?)
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To: BfloGuy

Upon re-reading, my response is rude, sorry.

Someone mentioned a comparison to a windmill, and it would work about the same if it weren’t for the trash in the water. Consider however that a windmill has to be 200 feet in diameter to produce meaningful power. I don’t think the river is that deep.


13 posted on 12/25/2007 8:21:39 AM PST by tickmeister (tickmeister)
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To: Condor51

NO different than ethanol then.


14 posted on 12/25/2007 8:24:10 AM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

seen this?http://www.tfcbooks.com/articles/monument.htm


15 posted on 12/25/2007 8:42:40 AM PST by gusopol3
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To: BfloGuy

“enviros... made it clear they won’t tolerate a single molecule of CO2 being emitted into the air.”

When the environmentalist wackos don’t exhale a single molecule of CO2, that’s the day I’m longing to see.


16 posted on 12/25/2007 8:47:32 AM PST by A. Morgan
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To: okie01
This is the kind of stuff that used to come out of all-night sessions in college dorm rooms. Is that really the best our political class can do?

yes. Lots of rewards up front, no penalties downstream.

17 posted on 12/25/2007 8:48:11 AM PST by sionnsar (trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
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To: tickmeister
Upon re-reading, my response is rude, sorry.

Blunt maybe, but not all that rude. As I say, I'm as mechanically illiterate as the Slaughter woman, I just have the sense to realize it. I'm also quite averse to spending our money on stuff the private sector (as pointed out above) would if there were a chance of its being profitable.

18 posted on 12/25/2007 11:01:14 AM PST by BfloGuy (It is not from the benevolence of the butcher, the brewer, or the baker, that we can expect . . .)
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To: gusopol3

So few people know of Tesla’s impact on the world, and how much his inventions influence our daily lives! It’s kinda sad. I believe he is much more important than his great rival, Edison.


19 posted on 12/25/2007 12:35:50 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: BfloGuy

Louise Slaughter is one of the DUMBEST people on the hill!


20 posted on 12/25/2007 12:38:56 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion: The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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