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To: larry hagedon

I listed the points that you did not respond. A proper response would involve a rebuttal to each point that I raised. Instead of replying to each point, you simply raised additional questions that are not related to the topic of the thread.

Bias is a relevant point to judge the quality evidence. You have never revealed your own bias. Do you work for the ethanol or bio fuels industry? I have no dog in this hunt. I do not work for any energy company or environmental group.

You have repeatedly claimed that GW1 and GW2 were subsidies to oil. Your claim is standard for leftist websites. Bloggers on these sites often criticize Bush for trading blood for oil. If these wars were subsidies, how were the subsidies paid? Who received them? Were the subsidies given to Big Oil or OPEC? Did these subsidies lower the cost of oil production? Did these subsidies artificially inflate demand as the case for the massive ethanol and bio fuels subsidies.

My bias is for lower energy costs. Ethanol, wind, and solar are more expensive than alternatives. I see a similar situation arising with energy mandates and subsidies as we have for sugar sudsidies. Sugar producers receive subsidies in the form of import tariffs. These tariffs drive up costs for sugar consumers, particularly firms using sugar to produce other food products. Many of these firms have moved operations outside of the US to purchase sugar at a much lower price.

The subsidies and mandates for alternative energy will have a similar but much more profound effect. Energy prices in the US will become much more expensive because of these mandates and subsidies. High energy prices will cause many producers to locate production in other parts of the world with lower energy prices.


41 posted on 01/02/2008 6:53:35 PM PST by businessprofessor
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To: businessprofessor

Professor, I have already answered every question you raise and many of them twice. All you are doing is repeating yourself while refusing to provide any cites backing your own personal opinions.

You distort my words and positions and falsely accuse me of leftist positions.

I really can believe you simply do not understand the basics of energy and I can do nothing more to help you. Bringing up sugar subsidies is a red herring and demonstrates your lack of knowledge of the industry.

As you are unable to bring any fresh information to the table or to provide any cites of your own I am dropping this thread as a waste of time.


44 posted on 01/05/2008 4:16:11 PM PST by larry hagedon (born and raised and retired in Iowa.)
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