The Hangover That Lasts

NY Times ^ | December 29, 2007 | PAUL STEINBERG

[dragnet2]

AGAIN, at any time, any place we agree to be tested. Night or day rain or shine. On Christmas. Thanksgiving.

This is a yes or no question.

At your department, do they draw ID or badge numbers out of a hat, or randomly by computer each month and require you to submit to a drug test, as part of a mandatory drug testing program?

Yes or no?

[Rudder]

You hijacked this thread---back and forth with same old replies. You guys should settle this via private communication. Oh well...

Back to the original article: Like George Burns said in his 90's: "If I knew I was gonna live this long I would've taken better care of myself."

[KJC1]

I agreed to be tested ANYTIME...get it..ANYTIME...alive or dead.

So, even if I die, they can test me.

What do you do for a living, I’ve noticed you have dodged that question.

[razorback-bert]

May I try?

Have been drug tested?

[Smokin' Joe]

Why don’t they routinely and randomly drug test LEOs and judges like they do in many other professions?

I'd like to see them drug test Congress. They can wreck a whole country!

[razorback-bert]

Oops, have you been drug tested?

How many time if yes?

[Cringing Negativism Network]

You can certainly agree with the logic behind a sobriety checkpoint, and understand why LEO’s would believe they’re important and just.

OTOH, checkpoints of any kind seem in some ways, the traffic equivalent of “hate speech” laws.

Drunk driving is already illegal. The reason is, it interferes with driving reaction times, and contributes to accidents. So there already is a structure in place, to punish those who drive drunk - drivers who are seen or especially cause an accident, are punished.

Similarly, so called “hate crimes”:

Assaults, are illegal. Hate crime laws, are applied to assaults, but the assault is already illegal.

I support, respect and genuinely admire law enforcement - I will even admit to having been treated with what in retrospect, was a certain degree of leniency by a couple officers; but checkpoints do smack to a certain extent, of the stereotypical “your papers please...”.

Especially since, it’s entirely possible for a driver to arrive at a checkpoint set up for one purpose, to end up in trouble for something else entirely.

That seems to have taken us as a society, at least one step down that slippery slope. Needing to present ... our papers.

We seem to be getting closer to that sort of thing, slowly and by degree.

Unfortunately, each additional step, seems to have a whole new group of enthusiastic advocates...

(just my .02)

[dasboot]

Your answer is "No."

Officer is ropadoping.

I signed the same line.

Admin needs cause to justify. Part of collective bargaining agreement in my department.

21 years was enough fer me.

My daughter is a Merchant officer. She gets the cup a few times a year on-duty. Manditory, periodic, random testing. That's what yer talkin' 'bout.

Now, if my department had had that program, all violators would then get the manditory 30-day paid vacation for rehab. [first-time]{although I do know some guys who got a second gift]. Shifts would be real short, what with all the guys taking advantage of the perc...along with the helpless Certs-chewers. :^)

[dragnet2]

At your department, do they draw ID or badge numbers out of a hat, or randomly by computer each month and require you to submit to a drug test, as part of a mandatory drug testing program? Yes or no?

____________________________________________________________

You declined to answer the above question.

The answer is "no".

You are not subject to *regular* *random* drug testing programs, like in other professions.

Of course, you knew this, but for some reason you just refused and declined to answer it.

Have a good New Year!

[KJC1]

Oh no, you are not getting off easy.

What do YOU do?

I have been tested. I was tested 3 months ago.

[dragnet2]

Your answer is "No."

Yes I knew that, see #49.

For some reason the other poster just refused to acknowledge it. lol

Thanks for being up front.

[dasboot]

Was it random; or did you dent a cruiser?

[neverdem]

I’m curious what his definition of binge drinking is.

The study's authors described a style of drinking that they designated as "binge" drinking, defined as the consumption of five or more drinks in a row for men and four or more for women, at least once in the 2 weeks preceding the survey.

a standard drink defined as equal to 12 grams of absolute alcohol

However, the total amount of alcohol in a typical serving of beer (12 ounces), wine (5 ounces), and hard liquor (1.5 ounces) is the same.

[Rudder]

You declined to answer the above question. The answer is "no".

WTF is your point? Do you have a point beside the one on your head or is this just practice for an intellectual masturbation contest?

[Wingy]

Of course, you knew this, but for some reason you just refused and declined to answer it.

And after all that, what is your POINT?

[dasboot]

His point is that cops should be manditorily tested randomly, periodically. Officer said that was already the case...but his posts read otherwise. I get it.

[Rudder]

...a standard drink defined as equal to 12 grams of absolute alcohol

What?!!! You can't drink 200-proof etoh---it won't go down your throat. Makes no sense.

[KJC1]

Random testing.

[Wingy]

His point is that cops should be manditorily tested randomly, periodically.

And that gets right to the heart of the thread, which was binge drinking. NOT!

[Rudder]

Thanks, but...Are you dragnet’s “Amen Charley?”