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1 posted on 12/30/2007 5:02:57 AM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: sukhoi-30mki

Just one reason I’ve never feared the Chi-Coms, they haven’t the heavy lift capabilities to invade the U.S.
Not enough to invade an island right off their coast much less half a world away.


2 posted on 12/30/2007 5:12:04 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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“Amateurs talk about strategy, dilettantes talk about tactics, and professionals talk about logistics.”


3 posted on 12/30/2007 5:12:47 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: sukhoi-30mki

The question since 1949 concerning Mainland China invading Taiwan has always been:

“Can The Dragon Swim?”

This article seems to answer with

“Yes, but not for very long.”


4 posted on 12/30/2007 5:14:43 AM PST by elcid1970
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To: sukhoi-30mki

It’s not as if China were not trying to close the gap between the petroleum supply they have and the stocks they want to have.

They are stockpiling right now. More than that, they are eying the possibility of simply absorbing a few locations into their hegemony, giving them the necessary supply lines to mount and continue a protracted conflict.

If the US leaves the Persian gulf, China will fill the vacuum. One more reason to stay in Iraq long beyond the end of the Bush Administration in early 2009.


5 posted on 12/30/2007 5:15:48 AM PST by alloysteel
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To: sukhoi-30mki
Yeah, right.

Like China wouldn't close all the America-driven Walmart & Nike factories if it really needed the fuel.

Why do you think China is courting Iran and Venezuela.

6 posted on 12/30/2007 5:21:18 AM PST by TexasCajun
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Any idea on China’s progress and development of a Bio-fuels infrastructure?

We can monitor tanker traffic and imports, but we probably can’t definitively gage bio-fuels.

8 posted on 12/30/2007 5:29:19 AM PST by Recon Dad (Marine Spec Ops Dad)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

They could do it the old-fashioned way. How long would it take to conquer Indonesia?


12 posted on 12/30/2007 5:47:54 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast ( "Do well, but remember to do good.")
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The time to threaten a move on Taiwan will be when the rats control Congress and the Presidency. When that happens I predict the US will shamefully toss Taiwan to the barbarians in exchange for face saving future promises.
14 posted on 12/30/2007 6:12:55 AM PST by Jacquerie (Restrict the voting franchise to those who pay income taxes.)
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I know little to nothing of China's capabilities. I suspect, but suspicion is not fact. This is possibly the case of our intelligence, suspicion, but few facts. The dragon's lair could hold many secrets, both stolen and contrived, or reverse engineered.

The world should not have had to face China for another twenty to fifty years, but with the aid of the clintoons, I suspect China has mobilized, and continues preparations for the end game. The end game plan....I know not what China's end game is, but I suspect China has a plan for their planned end game. Most all nuclear nations do plan, for all foreseen end games. The next ten years will bring many surprises.

I will hope for manageable surprises only, from China. But again, China holds the dragon's lair. I pray the Eagle is up to the task, but should a clintoon, an obama, a richardson, an edwards, a biden, or a host of others, arrive in the White House in January, one year from now, the dragon will continue to reap the benefits, and maneuver a continuation of a One China policy.

15 posted on 12/30/2007 6:18:43 AM PST by no-to-illegals (God Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform, Our Heroes. And Vote For Mr. Duncan Hunter, America! TLWNW)
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To: sukhoi-30mki

It’s a nice calculation, but pointless IMO. First, Taiwan is not that far from mainland (100-150 miles,) with half of the island wide open. Why to even talk about 6,000 km ranges if you need only to take off, wait a few minutes, drop the bombs and return? If long range bombers are used, they will carry 5 tons of fuel and extra 40 tons of bombs. Same with fighters - they’d be able to stay over the island until they run out of ammo, no need for a 1,000 km trip to the battle area.

Other posters already mentioned that if needed Chinese rulers will deny fuel to civilian sector, without any second thought. But far more important is that China is highly unlikely to start the war - it makes little sense, costs a lot, and will likely destroy Taiwan’s industry. As I see it, Taiwan and China will eventually peacefully unify just because both will change over time. It is already happening.


16 posted on 12/30/2007 6:22:44 AM PST by Greysard
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What is the total annual fuel consumption of the Chinese armed forces? A report published by the PLA General Logistics Department in 2007 says that the PLA forces saved 55,000 tons of oil in 2006, approximately 5.1 percent of their total consumption.

The assumption is that they openly publish all their real data

18 posted on 12/30/2007 6:27:50 AM PST by PapaBear3625
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To: sukhoi-30mki

One of my son’s roommates at VMI is from Taiwan and will head back after graduation to serve in the Taiwanese army. He’s here visiting with us now and we were just talking about this the other night. I’ll print it out and give it to him. Thanks!


23 posted on 12/30/2007 7:14:56 AM PST by tsmith130
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Fuel needs limit China's combat ability >>>>>>>>>>>>>>,P> Why do ya think China is sidling up to Iran with such dexterity and resolve?

Iran has likely dedicated its national export oil production to China's use in exchange for nukes,via North Korea.

Just set a few satellite passes dedicated to ground penetrating radar scans looking for enoromous storage tanks and there you will find the answer.

The Chinese are too meticulous to let oil supply slow them down. They have all they need to invade Taiwan.

26 posted on 12/30/2007 7:43:54 AM PST by Candor7 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Baghdad_(1258))
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To: sukhoi-30mki

This assumes much about mainland tactics. Logistics is the awareness of obstacles and the planning to operationally overcome those obstacles.

In this scenario, perhaps the execution would be an unconventional attack. To have enough forces in the major cities to make them impossible to remove, by the US, without destroying those cities.

In such circumstances, long before hostilities, they would infiltrate an extraordinary number of fifth columnists, using commercial travel. Such people would be tasked with becoming part of the civilian infrastructure of Taiwan. This could take years.

Perhaps a military invasion would be designed to be stealthy, tasking as little as a brigade for each major city. Most likely by using cargo ships instead of military transports. Their purpose would mostly be “insurance”, if the fifth column needed support.

The idea would be to have “an invasion without invading”, perhaps with the complicity of a Taiwanese political party and several large corporations.

The only real obstacle would be the command of the Taiwanese military. Optimally, the military would be ordered to stand down by the civilian leadership.

From that point, the two things the “new” government would need to insure was that as far as the public was concerned, it was business as usual, like Hong Kong; and that there was going to be no “real” invasion, with mainland troops destroying things.

They might even sweeten the deal with a whole slew of “aid” coming from the mainland. Essentially trade and travel deals to open the doors wide to a friendly reunion. No threats of punishment to anyone, as well.

It would also need a major diplomatic initiative around the world, to let everyone know that the “peaceful reintegration” of China had taken place, and any foreign actions would be seen as “unprovoked, aggressive war” against China.


27 posted on 12/30/2007 8:03:24 AM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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Another reason for us to be drilling in ANWAR, the Caribbean, the Gulf, and off the Coast of California. Also, build a lot more refineries.


28 posted on 12/30/2007 8:06:22 AM PST by Mogollon
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