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[California] Budget writers study closing tax loopholes
San Jose Mercury News ^ | 12/30/07 | Steve Geissinger

Posted on 12/30/2007 10:14:15 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom

California faces an estimated $14 billion budget deficit, but the state's independent fiscal watchdog has an answer: Trim some of the tax loopholes, which total $50 billion.

Simple idea. Difficult to make happen.

Each of the hundreds of tax breaks is important to some interest group, political analysts said, and a few of those loopholes are perceived almost as a constitutional right.

Nevertheless, Legislative Analyst Elizabeth Hill's recommendations on tax breaks, which she says mostly benefit the rich and corporations, are drawing attention. She even addressed the largest, seemingly most untouchable tax break: allowing homeowners to deduct mortgage interest off their state personal income taxes.

Hill said in a report that the deduction, which exceeds $5 billion a year, no longer serves its intended purpose of encouraging home ownership. She believes there are more targeted, less costly ways to aid those who need the assistance, without subsidizing wealthy homeowners.

Without commenting on any specific tax break, Senate leader Don Perata, D-Oakland, and Assembly Speaker Fabian Núñez, D-Los Angeles, said Friday the Legislature will seriously consider Hill's recommendations.

And Steve Maviglio, a spokesman for Núñez, said closing tax loopholes - including possibly changing the mortgage interest deduction - will be part of Democrats' broad considerations of deficit solutions.

"We are looking at it, but no decisions have been made," Maviglio said. "We haven't targeted anything specific at this juncture."

But Hill has. In addition to the mortgage interest deduction, she would end a tax credit for small refineries making low-sulfur diesel, and halt a tax incentive for construction of low-income housing, which she argues has become excessive.

(Excerpt) Read more at mercurynews.com ...


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If you think the subprime mess is bad, wait'll the Dems kill the home mortgage deduction in California. Housing prices will collapse, people won't be able to afford the effective 10% jump in their mortgage cost, businesses will flee the state and people will leave in droves.

We always seem to get the government we deserve.

1 posted on 12/30/2007 10:14:16 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

The problem with the elected representatives is that they do not care about spending you and my money. They should be making every attempt to find ways to SAVE money not spend more and more. I just heard that Maine will now take by force any gift card money that is not spent withing two or three years. Just like old England the road robbers are out in force.

The people need to not elect these scum unless they will find ways to reduce spending not increase it.


2 posted on 12/30/2007 10:24:12 AM PST by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the US Senate)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

No matter how you want to dress it up, it’s just more taxes.


3 posted on 12/30/2007 10:24:43 AM PST by NurdlyPeon (Thompson / Hunter in 2008)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Trim some of the tax loopholes, which total $50 billion. Simple idea.

Here's a simpler idea: Cut spending.

4 posted on 12/30/2007 10:26:32 AM PST by lowbridge
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To: All

Actual headline: “California to ask the rich and corporations to collect new taxes.”


5 posted on 12/30/2007 10:28:31 AM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

You can’t deduct the interest charged on mortgages above $1 million. Only up to the $1 million. So on a $1.1 million mortgage you can deduct 1/1.1 of the interest.

I believe we should elimnate the interest deduction. It only makes homes more expensive by creating false demand engineered by the tax code.

John


6 posted on 12/30/2007 10:29:26 AM PST by Diggity
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Yep, depress housing values even more so your property tax base shrinks. Brilliant!


7 posted on 12/30/2007 10:31:42 AM PST by Always Right
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

“wait’ll the Dems kill the home mortgage deduction in California. Housing prices will collapse”

It isn’t worth that much to begin with.

If it was a deduction from taxes it would be worthwhile but as a deduction from income before taxes, who cares except those that don’t understand math.


8 posted on 12/30/2007 10:33:12 AM PST by dalereed (both)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Hill said in a report that the deduction, which exceeds $5 billion a year, no longer serves its intended purpose of encouraging home ownership. She believes there are more targeted, less costly ways to aid those who need the assistance, without subsidizing wealthy homeowners.

Because the mortgage deduction gives individuals too much control over their own lives. "Targeted" means top-down government control.

All governments aspire to be the Soviet Union if you let them.

9 posted on 12/30/2007 10:33:23 AM PST by denydenydeny (Expel the priest and you don't inaugurate the age of reason, you get the witch doctor--Paul Johnson)
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To: denydenydeny
Because the mortgage deduction gives individuals too much control over their own lives.

I'd say that actually being forced to deal with government spending would induce individuals to reassert control over government spending by electing representatives who were more mindful of the link between government spending and revenue.

You know, kind of like we do at the Federal level.

(Ha ha ouch.)

10 posted on 12/30/2007 10:45:00 AM PST by Hoplite
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
I can write a small article here about the BS pulled by politicians here in CA to falsely raise taxes through bonds and other measures.
Here we do not have a case of under-taxation, we have a case of over budgeting monies without accounting for the real estate bubble to pop.
Across the country there has been around 30% increases to the state treasuries from property taxes.
So reality hits and the property tax monies are a bit less when they budgeted increases and we have our crisis.

Why don’t they stop increases in spending for 5 years and allow the state to develop a surplus?

We have so many roads torn up no with street projects with no money to finish them.
Of course that means new bonds will happen to tax property more to pay for this, and in 30 years when bonds are paid, they will still collect that tax with no bond to finance because they never believe in stopping revenue flows for themselves.

They are taxation addicts.
We really need to educate people in California to throw out the clowns and put in responsible people.

11 posted on 12/30/2007 10:54:25 AM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Funny, this article appeared, in large part, in the Contra Costa Times, on Dec 25. In that article, Elizabeth Hill was characterized as the state's (or one of the state's) fiscal watchdogs.

I wrote the newspaper and suggested that she be spayed.

12 posted on 12/30/2007 11:01:48 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (We've checked, and all your zeroes are OK. We're still working on your ones.)
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To: Diggity
I believe we should elimnate the interest deduction

The reason interest is deductible has nothing to do with encouraging home ownership or any other social engineering goals. It's deductible because income should not be taxed twice.

Before 1986 all interest paid was deductible for this reason - remember? Back before the Chief Tax Collector and So-Called Republican BobDole pushed the "Tax Reform Act of 1986".

So the deduction is not a "gift" from the Beneficient and All-Knowing Legislators. It's a function of fairness and understanding the chain of taxation that has been inflicted on us.

Not only should the mortgage interest deduction be preserved, we should go back to having all interest be deductible. The only reason it was revoked in the first place was to pay for the profligacy of the federal government in the 80's. Oddly, it didn't work, and they kept spending and the deficit keeps growing.

The simple answer is to SPEND LESS. And in California that means STOP LOOTING THE AMERICANS TO PAY FOR MEXICO.

13 posted on 12/30/2007 11:02:35 AM PST by Regulator
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

ending ... homeowners to deduct mortgage interest off their state personal income taxes.

LOL! Go for it.


14 posted on 12/30/2007 11:04:05 AM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
We always seem to get the government we deserve.

Maybe not always. You and I are an endangered specis in California being political to the right and well informed. (Not to be redundant.) We are getting the government the leftists and the Mexican socialists deserve. Fargin bastages.

Regards

15 posted on 12/30/2007 11:04:52 AM PST by ARE SOLE (Agents Ramos and Campean are in prison at this very moment.. (A "Concerned Citizen".)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

A good place for California to start would be to privatize their prisons. Some prison guards are making more than $100,000 a year:

http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20060228/news_1n28guards.html


16 posted on 12/30/2007 11:30:52 AM PST by Brad from Tennessee ("A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.")
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
Let me tell you how it will be
There's one for you, nineteen for me
Cos I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman

Should five per cent appear too small
Be thankful I don't take it all
Cos I'm the taxman, yeah I'm the taxman

If you drive a car, I'll tax the street
If you try to sit, I'll tax your seat
If you get too cold I'll tax the heat
If you take a walk, I'll tax your feet

Taxman!
Cos I'm the taxman, yeah I'm the taxman

Don't ask me what I want it for (Aahh Mr. Wilson)
If you don't want to pay some more (Aahh Mr. Heath)
Cos I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman

Now my advice for those who die
Declare the pennies on your eyes
Cos I'm the taxman, yeah, I'm the taxman

And you're working for no one but me
Taxman!

17 posted on 12/30/2007 11:40:26 AM PST by KenHorse (The Internet. Enabling the village idiot to become the global idiot with the click of the mouse)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom
From the linked article: "And the largest might also be the most politically untouchable, especially now: the $5 billion a year - and growing - the state gives back to taxpayers through the mortgage interest deduction."

Liberals are such a hoot.

The anti-gunners like to engage in "gun buy backs", implying that the government was the source of people's guns and that perhaps it was a mistake for the government to ever have allowed people to have them.

Similarly now, the liberals would like to treat the deduction for home interest mortgage as if it was money which originated with the government and was then gifted to the taxpayers.

My own home mortgage wouldn't exist except for the tax deduction, both federal and state. If the federal deduction disappeared, my mortgage would probably be paid off that week. The progressive income tax makes it very painful to lose deductions.

Isn't this exactly what the home loan industry needs? Tens of thousands of non-performing loans that will go into foreclosure and an additional tens of thousands of performing loans that will disappear from people's portfolios.

The economic expansion that was occurring just as Arnold took over as Govenator has bought the Kalifornia liberals some time. But naturally the liberals used the opportunity to dig the fiscal hole even deeper than was imagined prior to the recall of Davis.

Regardless of what is done in Kalifornia, any cessation of the prior economic expansion will cause blood to run in the streets; and perhaps not just metaphorically. The government employees are not going to like what is about to happen.

18 posted on 12/30/2007 12:13:34 PM PST by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

California tax collectors are really going to be screaming when the full impact of the drop in property values significantly drops tax revenue. What Prop # is it that places tax value on latest selling price? Some property values in Cali have dropped 45% in the last year. Throw that in with foreclosures going sky high and the mortgage companies bailing for whatever they can get at auction and the tax revenues will go down the tubes accordingly.


19 posted on 12/30/2007 12:21:08 PM PST by biff
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To: biff

It’s Prop 13, if you know what I mean!


20 posted on 12/30/2007 2:06:18 PM PST by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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