Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

The great fall of China
LA Times ^ | December 30, 2007 | Walter Russell Mead

Posted on 12/30/2007 11:56:06 AM PST by Parmenio

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 41-6061-8081-100101-117 next last
To: bajabaja

Third-world countries are uniformly cheap when it comes to the price of good body servants.


61 posted on 12/30/2007 1:55:24 PM PST by muawiyah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: aruanan

bttt


62 posted on 12/30/2007 1:55:57 PM PST by Centurion2000 (It's only arrogance if you can't back it up.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Positive

Hunh? It’s virtually impossible to find a spot in the US that’s inaccessible to electricity -


63 posted on 12/30/2007 2:02:45 PM PST by muawiyah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 56 | View Replies]

To: Cringing Negativism Network
China is REPLACING America economically, and we’re subjected to clueless, sleepwalking bluster like this.

Sure... That's why just our GDP growth in the last 6 is more than TWICE the official exchange rate GDP of China, or THREE times the total exports of China.

Sources:

US GDP Growth
Chinese Economy

The increase in our economy alone in the last 6 years is larger than the Chinese economy. We export more than they do. We have an economy that's much larger than China's, and is maintaining that lead.

Never mind the facts, it's all GLOOM AND DOOM!

64 posted on 12/30/2007 2:30:15 PM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Complaining about the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: kabar

“40 million people” would be only about 3% of the population. I’m sure the number without electricity is more like 400 million


65 posted on 12/30/2007 2:35:21 PM PST by BohDaThone
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: kabar
Ditto. China is somewhat of a paper tiger, IMHO.

Beijing and Shanghai are truly amazing cities, but as you get to their second tier cities like Xian and Guillan you start to see middle class mafia, beyond that it’s poverty, slums and Communism in it’s full glory.

I don’t know why, but it reminded me of Russia 10 years before it’s demise.

66 posted on 12/30/2007 2:36:31 PM PST by not2worry ( What goes around comes around!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: PapaBear3625
We have no real reason to have granted them Most Favored Nation status, which should have been reserved for countries that buy from us about as much as we buy from them

Assuming you mean within 50% (meaning 0.67 to 1.5 ratios of exports to imports), that list would be:






Pretty empty list there... In actuality, according to the CIA Factbook, we exported $50 billion worth of goods to China in 2006, and we imported $220 billion.

Japan? Exported $50 billion, imported $180 billion.

Mexico? Exported $120 billion, imported $180 billion.

Canada? Exported $220 billion, imported $350 billion.

Germany? Exported $40 billion, imported $75 billion.

So based upon the above, we shouldn't have MFN with anyone. Heck, China's about on par with Japan in terms of exports/imports, so neither should get MFN?

We don't have parity with any country - we're a net consumer of durable goods, compared to everyone. But we're still the largest exporter on the planet, equalling the entire EU in terms of exports. And our economy accounts for a quarter of the entire world.

MFN trade status should be used to our advantage - when we can maximize what we get for our dollars. Restricting trade to countries closer to parity - Germany, Canada - means we can buy more expensive goods, tools, and services which will hamper our own economy more than letting businesses get their supplies/products at the lowest cost.

67 posted on 12/30/2007 2:45:12 PM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Complaining about the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Cringing Negativism Network

Question:

Where do you get your information about China? Because I live a third of my life over there, run a factory there, do business there and I can assure you your “facts” have as much reality as John F’n Kerry’s claims that he earned his Purple Hearts...


68 posted on 12/30/2007 2:48:58 PM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Complaining about the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: not2worry
I don’t know why, but it reminded me of Russia 10 years before it’s demise.

Good analogy. I visited the Soviet Union numerous times between 1975 to 1987. We used to joke in the State Department that the Soviet Union was either the most underdeveloped developed country or the most developed underdeveloped country in the world. It was quite apparent looking at the shoddy construction, poor infrastructure, and the communist way of administration that the Soviets were only a military threat, and a hollow one at that given their performance in Afghanistan.

Excluding HK, I have only been to China [Beijing] once, but I was far from impressed. It did resemble the Soviet Union, only worse.

69 posted on 12/30/2007 3:37:16 PM PST by kabar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 66 | View Replies]

To: Positive

The gender gap will inflate Chinas’ military and guaranee an expansionist foreign policy. CHina seems to have taken complete possession of the Spratley and Paracel Islands in the South China Sea, for instance. The relative overproduction of males will insure that the Taiwan threats continue to ratchet up.


70 posted on 12/30/2007 3:38:16 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than to have to fight them OVER HERE!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 54 | View Replies]

To: Positive

That is what is happening to some extent right now as the dollar is inflated by Washington. We are welshing on debt by making the dollars with which we repay past debt smaller. We still call them “dollars” but they are worth rather less than the “dollars” that were originally borrowed.


71 posted on 12/30/2007 3:42:29 PM PST by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than to have to fight them OVER HERE!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 60 | View Replies]

To: BohDaThone
“40 million people” would be only about 3% of the population. I’m sure the number without electricity is more like 400 million

Not quite. Since China has a population of about 1.2 billion, that would be one-third of the population.

Nationally, almost 97 per cent of Chinese households have access to electricity and yet there are still 30 million people, primarily those in areas remote from the power grid, who lack access

72 posted on 12/30/2007 3:42:37 PM PST by kabar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 65 | View Replies]

To: Positive

You must be joking.


73 posted on 12/30/2007 3:44:10 PM PST by kabar
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 56 | View Replies]

To: Zuben Elgenubi; Cringing Negativism Network; Parmenio
I did not read the article. Ain’t gonna either. (Well perhaps later)

CNN is correct. Chinese Commies are killing us all over the place, and nobody seems to realize it because John Wu has not put it on cellulose yet.

Besides all that, some people read faster than others. I am such an one. (I realize that I'll likely regret posting that, but it is still true.)

74 posted on 12/30/2007 3:45:38 PM PST by Radix (If your outgo exceeds your income, your upkeep will be your downfall.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Positive

I highly doubt even one out of 1000 Americans have no access to electricity.


75 posted on 12/30/2007 3:47:23 PM PST by rb22982
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 56 | View Replies]

To: PugetSoundSoldier
是嗎?
76 posted on 12/30/2007 3:47:26 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (I'm a proud Yankee Doodle Protectionist)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 68 | View Replies]

To: Cringing Negativism Network

Your main point is correct, but you are overstating things. It turns out that China has plenty of problems of its own, and it’s not the omnipotent Socialist paradise it’s portrayed as by so much of the MSM.

Now, if Hillary Clinton is elected President, look for China to make more gains against the U.S., just as they did when Bill Clinton was President.


77 posted on 12/30/2007 3:56:20 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (You can't be serious about national security unless you're serious about border security)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 18 | View Replies]

To: Clemenza

Far too many lack faith in America and our ability to adapt and excel. They were crying about jobs in the buggy whip industry back in the day.


78 posted on 12/30/2007 3:58:47 PM PST by Uriah_lost ("I don't apologize for the United States of America," -Fred D Thompson)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Positive; AuntB; cripplecreek; TigerLikesRooster; JACKRUSSELL; ChinaThreat

It turns out that China is as capable of short-sightedness as the United States.

Look what its overly stringent birth control policies are bringing.


79 posted on 12/30/2007 3:58:50 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (You can't be serious about national security unless you're serious about border security)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 54 | View Replies]

To: Cringing Negativism Network
Brilliantly laid out, comprehensive, persuasive argument right there.
80 posted on 12/30/2007 4:06:43 PM PST by dr_who_2
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-20 ... 41-6061-8081-100101-117 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson