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Mitt's flips: Why they matter
Union Leader.com ^ | Jan 1, 2008 | Editorial

Posted on 01/01/2008 2:30:26 AM PST by tiger-one

Mitt's flips: Why they matter

5 hours, 6 minutes ago

HAS Gov. Mitt Romney become more conservative in the past few years or has he shrewdly tacked to the right to get the Republican presidential nomination?

We don't know. What we do know is that Romney's record involves more than just switching from a few liberal positions to a few conservative ones. It represents wholesale conversions on issue after issue, sometimes back and forth, and with some false biographical statements thrown in.

Any candidate for office is allowed to change his mind. People learn new facts or have personal experiences that bring them to new understandings. Not every switch is an opportunistic flip-flop.

The reason Mitt Romney has drawn our scrutiny on this issue, and we are not alone, is not because he is the only candidate who has changed positions. He is not. It is because the totality of his record gives the distinct impression that most of his positions are subject to change when politically expedient.

Whenever Mitt Romney has run for office, his public positions on the issues of the day have been in general agreement with the voter base whose approval he was seeking.

In Massachusetts he was pro-choice, then pro-life, then pro-choice, then pro-life again. He was even more pro-gay rights than Ted Kennedy, for strict gun-control laws, for affirmative action, against the Boy Scouts' policy on homosexual scoutmasters, for what he now calls "amnesty" for illegal immigrants, and against the Bush tax cuts.

How can he have changed his mind on all of those issues and others so soon after deciding to run for the Republican presidential nomination?

In addition to his rightward shift, Gov. Romney's record includes some personal statements that make him appear less than completely candid about who he is and what he believes.

He claimed to have been a lifelong hunter. He wasn't. He claimed to have had the NRA's endorsement. He didn't. He claimed to have marched with Martin Luther King Jr. He didn't. These cannot be explained away as conversions.

We have found Romney's enthusiasm for conservative princples to be situational at best. And we are not alone. We have listened carefully to Republicans who knew Gov. Romney during his political rise in Massachusetts. They do not believe he is a far-left liberal. But they don't believe he's as conservative as he now claims, either.

At the end of the day, Republicans have to pick one candidate for President. Some judge Mitt Romney to be truly conservative. We do not. We think his record shows that while he is a Republican, he is not as conservative as Sen. John McCain.

Those who know him have told us that at his core, Gov. Romney is a decent man. We believe that. We just don't believe he is a man of solid political conviction. That is what most Republicans want, in a President. And that is why we picked John McCain over Mitt Romney.


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To: Neu Pragmatist

Check my new thread


21 posted on 01/01/2008 4:06:10 AM PST by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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To: tiger-one

Mitt has said he would sign a new “assault weapon” ban. He is clearly in favor of gun control. That is all I need to know about Mitt Romney. Go Fred!


22 posted on 01/01/2008 4:21:02 AM PST by GnL
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To: GnL

Would you mind telling me what sort of weapon you feel Mitt would try to take away from you that is legal now?


23 posted on 01/01/2008 4:42:26 AM PST by calvo (Your strength isn't what you can do, but what you can endure.)
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To: tiger-one

And who did the Union Leader endorse? A “real” conservative? Hardly.


24 posted on 01/01/2008 4:46:54 AM PST by rhombus
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To: calvo

Any of the so-called “assault weapons” that were banned under Clinton in 1994 and are no longer banned (except in a couple Stalinist states like NY). Do you need more details?


25 posted on 01/01/2008 4:49:32 AM PST by GnL
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To: flaglady47

Great analysis, and thank you for pointing out Romney’s conservative record.

Did he make some pandering comments over the years? Yes.

But check his record as Mass Gov, and it is clear he consistently took good and decent conservative positions on almost everything.

These Romney haters on FR are embarassing, and I’m about as ultra conservative as one can get.


26 posted on 01/01/2008 4:54:43 AM PST by Edit35
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To: Leisler
Isn’t it true that not one, single Willard Romney male ever served in the US Military since, oh, before the civil war?

Is it true that not one male who ever voted on the 'morning after' pill ever was pregnant?

27 posted on 01/01/2008 4:57:27 AM PST by Edit35
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To: flaglady47
Just another smear attempt by the Mitt haters.

Notice how these Deranged Romney Bashers don't ever support THEIR candidate, even if they have one/

Are they embarassed, or is it like I surmise... that they simply suffer from Romney Derangement Syndrome?

I think its the latter.

28 posted on 01/01/2008 5:00:53 AM PST by Edit35
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To: Neu Pragmatist
It’s always fun to present a Mittbot with facts. They shriek and paste like crazy ....

And deny everything Romney says and does. Links to his own words coming out of his own mouth are posted on this thread, yet Mitt fans deny he said them.

29 posted on 01/01/2008 5:03:37 AM PST by Graybeard58 ( Remember and pray for SSgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Neu Pragmatist
It’s always fun to present a Mittbot with facts.

This newspaper editorial isn't "facts."

It's just antedoctal statements, the opinion of one more newspaper muckraker who wouldn't recognize a good GOP candidate if he stomped thru their newsroom with the entire American Conservative Union staff right beside him.

Oops. The ACU DOES endorse Romney, and so does National Review.

30 posted on 01/01/2008 5:10:03 AM PST by Edit35
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To: Rock&RollRepublican
"Great analysis, and thank you for pointing out Romney’s conservative record. Did he make some pandering comments over the years? Yes. But check his record as Mass Gov, and it is clear he consistently took good and decent conservative positions on almost everything. These Romney haters on FR are embarassing, and I’m about as ultra conservative as one can get. "

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Hey Mr Ultra! Most embarrassing of all is this sites owner:

"B/S. Some of you guys are pushing the abortionist, gay agenda advancing, gun grabbing, big government socialist nanny state lying liberal RINO BECAUSE of his religion. Conservatives are pushing back. And it’s perfectly within their rights. NOTHING un-American about it. If fact, claiming it is, IS un-American. If you can’t stand the heat, get out! Take Romney with you."

Yup, downright embarrassing I tell you.

31 posted on 01/01/2008 5:13:30 AM PST by Manic_Episode (Some mornings, it's just not worth chewing through the leather straps...)
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To: Graybeard58
Mitt fans deny he said them.

From what I read, most Mitt supporters agree he made some liberal pandering statements over the years.

But they were just that... statements, and if you check his record, you can see he governed Mass as a fairly conservative leader.

Which is especially heartening, when you consider how difficult it would have been in an 80-percent liberal state such as Massechusetts.

32 posted on 01/01/2008 5:14:36 AM PST by Edit35
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To: tiger-one

“”And that is why we picked John McCain over Mitt Romney””

Next.


33 posted on 01/01/2008 5:14:52 AM PST by Lovebloggers
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To: tiger-one

What’s next? NYT’s editorials that you all dub as “facts.”


34 posted on 01/01/2008 5:19:32 AM PST by Lovebloggers
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To: tiger-one

They have all become more conservative in name only.


35 posted on 01/01/2008 5:34:21 AM PST by freekitty ((May the eagles long fly our beautiful and free American sky.))
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To: Rock&RollRepublican
Romney governed MASS a liberal installing gay marriage,
socialized medicine, and continued most of the cover-ups.

Romney is NOTHING like a conservative. Romney,theDECLAREDrino, even said so.

36 posted on 01/01/2008 6:23:37 AM PST by Diogenesis (Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum)
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To: GnL

Yeah, Mitty has assaulted gun owners. Why even go there?


37 posted on 01/01/2008 8:49:35 AM PST by petertare (--)
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To: GnL

And, don’t forget, when the AWB was due to expire in 2004 in MA, just like the federal AWB, the Mythster made it a permanent ban, not subject to federal law.


38 posted on 01/01/2008 9:00:26 AM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: Rock&RollRepublican
Actually, it's not the ACU endorsing Romney, it's the President of ACU David Keene personally endorsing him. I'm the Director of Operations for a non profit and I've personally and openly endorsed Fred but I don't claim that the entire org endorses him.

From the ACU website...

All candidate listings and responses are in alphabetical order. The American Conservative Union provides these responses for public information only. ACU neither endorses these candidates nor their responses.

39 posted on 01/01/2008 9:21:08 AM PST by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org | Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: flaglady47
I'm talking not just sons, but dad, granddad,great granddad, and great great grand dad, as far back in America for 7 or more generations.
40 posted on 01/02/2008 5:52:53 AM PST by Leisler
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