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A cold spell soon to replace global warming
RIA Novosti ^
| 1/03/2008
| Dr. Oleg Sorokhtin
Posted on 01/03/2008 6:04:59 PM PST by sionnsar
MOSCOW. (Oleg Sorokhtin for RIA Novosti) Stock up on fur coats and felt boots! This is my paradoxical advice to the warm world.
Earth is now at the peak of one of its passing warm spells. It started in the 17th century when there was no industrial influence on the climate to speak of and no such thing as the hothouse effect. The current warming is evidently a natural process and utterly independent of hothouse gases.
The real reasons for climate changes are uneven solar radiation, terrestrial precession (that is, axis gyration), instability of oceanic currents, regular salinity fluctuations of the Arctic Ocean surface waters, etc. There is another, principal reasonsolar activity and luminosity. The greater they are the warmer is our climate.
Astrophysics knows two solar activity cycles, of 11 and 200 years. Both are caused by changes in the radius and area of the irradiating solar surface. The latest data, obtained by Habibullah Abdusamatov, head of the Pulkovo Observatory space research laboratory, say that Earth has passed the peak of its warmer period, and a fairly cold spell will set in quite soon, by 2012. Real cold will come when solar activity reaches its minimum, by 2041, and will last for 50-60 years or even longer.
This is my point, which environmentalists hotly dispute as they cling to the hothouse theory. As we know, hothouse gases, in particular, nitrogen peroxide, warm up the atmosphere by keeping heat close to the ground. Advanced in the late 19th century by Svante A. Arrhenius, a Swedish physical chemist and Nobel Prize winner, this theory is taken for granted to this day and has not undergone any serious check.
It determines decisions and instruments of major international organizationsin particular, the Kyoto Protocol to the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change. Signed by 150 countries, it exemplifies the impact of scientific delusion on big politics and economics. The authors and enthusiasts of the Kyoto Protocol based their assumptions on an erroneous idea. As a result, developed countries waste huge amounts of money to fight industrial pollution of the atmosphere. What if it is a Don Quixotes duel with the windmill?
Hothouse gases may not be to blame for global warming. At any rate, there is no scientific evidence to their guilt. The classic hothouse effect scenario is too simple to be true. As things really are, much more sophisticated processes are on in the atmosphere, especially in its dense layer. For instance, heat is not so much radiated in space as carried by air currentsan entirely different mechanism, which cannot cause global warming.
The temperature of the troposphere, the lowest and densest portion of the atmosphere, does not depend on the concentration of greenhouse gas emissionsa point proved theoretically and empirically. True, probes of Antarctic ice shield, taken with bore specimens in the vicinity of the Russian research station Vostok, show that there are close links between atmospheric concentration of carbon dioxide and temperature changes. Here, however, we cannot be quite sure which is the cause and which the effect.
Temperature fluctuations always run somewhat ahead of carbon dioxide concentration changes. This means that warming is primary. The ocean is the greatest carbon dioxide depository, with concentrations 60-90 times larger than in the atmosphere. When the oceans surface warms up, it produces the champagne effect. Compare a foamy spurt out of a warm bottle with wine pouring smoothly when served properly cold.
Likewise, warm ocean water exudes greater amounts of carbonic acid, which evaporates to add to industrial pollutiona factor we cannot deny. However, man-caused pollution is negligible here. If industrial pollution with carbon dioxide keeps at its present-day 5-7 billion metric tons a year, it will not change global temperatures up to the year 2100. The change will be too small for humans to feel even if the concentration of greenhouse gas emissions doubles.
Carbon dioxide cannot be bad for the climate. On the contrary, it is food for plants, and so is beneficial to life on Earth. Bearing out this point was the Green Revolutionthe phenomenal global increase in farm yields in the mid-20th century. Numerous experiments also prove a direct proportion between harvest and carbon dioxide concentration in the air.
Carbon dioxide has quite a different pernicious influencenot on the climate but on synoptic activity. It absorbs infrared radiation. When tropospheric air is warm enough for complete absorption, radiation energy passes into gas fluctuations. Gas expands and dissolves to send warm air up to the stratosphere, where it clashes with cold currents coming down. With no noticeable temperature changes, synoptic activity skyrockets to whip up cyclones and anticyclones. Hence we get hurricanes, storms, tornados and other natural disasters, whose intensity largely depends on carbon dioxide concentration. In this sense, reducing its concentration in the air will have a positive effect.
Carbon dioxide is not to blame for global climate change. Solar activity is many times more powerful than the energy produced by the whole of humankind. Mans influence on nature is a drop in the ocean.
Earth is unlikely to ever face a temperature disaster. Of all the planets in the solar system, only Earth has an atmosphere beneficial to life. There are many factors that account for development of life on Earth: Sun is a calm star, Earth is located an optimum distance from it, it has the Moon as a massive satellite, and many others. Earth owes its friendly climate also to dynamic feedback between biotic and atmospheric evolution.
The principal among those diverse links is Earths reflective power, which regulates its temperature. A warm period, as the present, increases oceanic evaporation to produce a great amount of clouds, which filter solar radiation and so bring heat down. Things take the contrary turn in a cold period.
What cant be cured must be endured. It is wise to accept the natural course of things. We have no reason to panic about allegations that ice in the Arctic Ocean is thawing rapidly and will soon vanish altogether. As it really is, scientists say the Arctic and Antarctic ice shields are growing. Physical and mathematical calculations predict a new Ice Age. It will come in 100,000 years, at the earliest, and will be much worse than the previous. Europe will be ice-bound, with glaciers reaching south of Moscow.
Meanwhile, Europeans can rest assured. The Gulf Stream will change its course only if some evil magic robs it of power to reach the northbut Mother Nature is unlikely to do that.
Dr. Oleg Sorokhtin, Merited Scientist of Russia and fellow of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences, is staff researcher of the Oceanology Institute.
The opinions expressed in this article are the author's and do not necessarily represent those of RIA Novosti.
TOPICS: Russia
KEYWORDS: globalcooling; globalwarming; winter
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posted on
01/03/2008 6:05:03 PM PST
by
sionnsar
To: sionnsar; OKSooner; honolulugal; Killing Time; Beowulf; Mr. Peabody; RW_Whacko; gruffwolf; ...

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posted on
01/03/2008 6:06:17 PM PST
by
xcamel
(FDT/2008)
To: LibreOuMort
PETA is not going to like this!
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posted on
01/03/2008 6:06:25 PM PST
by
sionnsar
(trad-anglican.faithweb.com |Iran Azadi| 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY) | UN: Useless Nations)
To: sionnsar
First it was the coming ice age, then it was global warming, now we’re back to the coming ice age...
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posted on
01/03/2008 6:07:42 PM PST
by
G8 Diplomat
(Creatures are divided into 6 kingdoms: Animalia, Plantae, Fungi, Monera, Protista, & Saudi Arabia)
To: sionnsar
Global warming causes cold spells?
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posted on
01/03/2008 6:13:37 PM PST
by
umgud
(no more subprime politicians)
To: sionnsar
To: sionnsar
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posted on
01/03/2008 6:17:05 PM PST
by
Balding_Eagle
(If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
To: umgud
[Global warming causes cold spells?]
Of course! If a planet has a fever, it is sure to have chills too.
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posted on
01/03/2008 6:17:08 PM PST
by
Islander7
("Show me an honest politician and I will show you a case of mistaken identity.")
To: umgud
[Global warming causes cold spells?]
Of course! If a planet has a fever, it is sure to have chills too.
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posted on
01/03/2008 6:18:31 PM PST
by
Islander7
("Show me an honest politician and I will show you a case of mistaken identity.")
To: sionnsar
Al Gore did not approve of this message.
To: sionnsar
Oh, yeah, take it from a Russian state-owned newspaper.
It will continue to get warmer. And we’ll live with it, because we’re not causing it and can’t stop it. It’s not that bad. People who don’t like warmer weather can move north.
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posted on
01/03/2008 6:24:19 PM PST
by
familyop
(LOL!)
To: sionnsar
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posted on
01/03/2008 6:27:02 PM PST
by
VOA
To: sionnsar
If you will read this closely with an open mind it is probably the most accurate assessment of the current state of the Earth’s climate that I have read in a long time.
This Russian is obviously NOT a member of the Church of Globabble Warming. He bases his statements on sound EMPIRICAL evidence and he is quite possibly entirely correct. He obviously does not consider human activity to be of much account and in this he is right on. Only a liberal would be so smug as to think what humans do matters one whit in the greater scheme of things.
When it comes to the historical record of Earth’s climate, the only constant is constant change.
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posted on
01/03/2008 7:02:52 PM PST
by
43north
(I hope we are around long enough to become a layer in the rocks of the future.)
To: sionnsar
What if it is a Don Quixotes duel with the windmill? Anybody got the email for that putz Jimbo Hansen at NASA? I'd like to forward this to him.
This guy can run rings around Hansen.
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posted on
01/03/2008 7:03:07 PM PST
by
VeniVidiVici
(Jay Grodner stands accused of keying a Marine's car. He's also a lawyer.)
To: sionnsar
"It will come in 100,000 years, at the earliest, and will be much worse than the previous. Europe will be ice-bound, with glaciers reaching south of Moscow."Actually I think we are toward the end of the inter-glaciation period and the next ice age should begin shortly, relatively speaking. Within the next 10,000 yrs, give or take.
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posted on
01/03/2008 7:04:28 PM PST
by
Eagles6
To: sionnsar
They’ll just call it ‘climate change’ to cover all their bases.
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posted on
01/03/2008 7:13:43 PM PST
by
wastedyears
(Tell me why I had to be a powerslave... Iron Maiden March 14th, 2008)
To: wastedyears
It isn't "their bases" that need covering, hanging out in the arctic cold and snow...
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posted on
01/03/2008 7:15:59 PM PST
by
JasonC
To: Eagles6
According to some studies, we’re about 2,000 years overdue for an ice age. We can thank the greenhouse gases released by agriculture over the last 8,000 years for the period of grace (along with more recent industrialization, of course).
To: 43north
I agree: this scientist is not “buying” into the AGW scam, and is putting forth some sound observations of history and science. Thanks for illuminating that!
To: Pontiac
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posted on
01/03/2008 8:13:05 PM PST
by
Pontiac
(Your message here.)
To: Islander7
If a planet has a fever, it is sure to have chills too.
If a planet has a fever it needs MORE COW BELL!
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posted on
01/03/2008 8:22:33 PM PST
by
Grizzled Bear
("Does not play well with others.")
To: G8 Diplomat
First it was the coming ice age, then it was global warming, now were back to the coming ice age... And it the same coming ice age, based on the same effects. Only we know even more about them now than we did before.
It's coming, the Big One, not just "Hans Brinker and the Silver Skates"(Ice on the Dutch canal networks) But a real Ice Age, big glaciers of the sort that gave us the prairie potholes and the Great Lakes. How soon? Well we're overdue already, but any millennium now, maybe any century.

(The appearance of more, "high frequency" variation in more recent data is due to higher sampling rate, that is more closely spaced samples)
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posted on
01/03/2008 9:34:18 PM PST
by
El Gato
("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
To: familyop
It will continue to get warmer. And well live with it, because were not causing it and cant stop it. We can't stop it, but it's not *just* warming. See graph in Post 22
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posted on
01/03/2008 9:36:52 PM PST
by
El Gato
("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
To: sionnsar
This author is in touch with reality.
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posted on
01/03/2008 9:38:23 PM PST
by
devere
To: Defendingliberty; WL-law; Normandy
"Hot Air Cult" ~~Anthropogenic Global Warming ping~~
To: El Gato
"We can't stop it, but it's not *just* warming. See graph in Post 22"
Good! I like to hike up and down the peaks to snowboard in arctic weather. ...was doing some backcountry boarding a few days ago and was toasty warm even under cheap gear. In past recent years, it usually briefly hit lower than -20F some mornings near solstice at this altitude (high). And although most of the winter has been like summer here, it's great to not have other people around. At noon, one can even lay in front of a window to catch the low sun for sunbathing indoors (20 minutes or so for plenty of vitamin D).
I wish that an ice age would come quickly, as a new glacier in the back yard for four-wheeling and boarding would be wonderful (as would seeing all the weirdo greenies go away), but I fear that it won't happen soon. ...will have to settle for watching the multitudes of new bear (from the warming so far) eat the greenies next fall.
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posted on
01/03/2008 9:51:28 PM PST
by
familyop
("Abandon all hope, ye who enter here" --Dante Alighieri, another Roman architect of hell)
To: G8 Diplomat
-Global cooling is probably still a few years off, based on the solar cycle 24 predictions, which is predicted to peak in 2010. Unfortunately, this gives the AGW proponents a few more years to blather on:
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posted on
01/03/2008 10:48:13 PM PST
by
FBD
(My carbon footprint is bigger then yours)
To: FBD
“Unfortunately, this gives the AGW proponents a few more years to blather on:”
AND - the opportunity to say “see how right we were and how well we have saved the planet” (and just in time for another election year too!)
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posted on
01/03/2008 10:55:06 PM PST
by
geopyg
(Don't wish for peace, pray for Victory. ------ www.gohunter08.com ------)
To: sionnsar; All
A mocking, tongue-in-cheek summary of "the coming ice age," err, "Y2K," err, "global warming," err, "climate change," Yeah! That's right! What we used to call, "Having Weather..."
And, in the "Well, Duh!" department...
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posted on
01/04/2008 1:56:33 AM PST
by
backhoe
(Just a Merry-Hearted Keyboard PirateBoy, plunderin’ his way across the WWW…)
To: sionnsar
Notice that this scientist has stated that temperature changes run ahead of carbon dioxide fluctuations. A number of scientists have pointed that out.
To: sionnsar
What he's saying folks is the Greenhouse Effect is false.
Great article by a scientist showing integrity in the face of pervasive corruption. However, as is often the case now this conclusion was cited and posted on FR 2 weeks ago. [/shameless self-promotion].
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posted on
01/04/2008 4:08:00 AM PST
by
Justa
(Politically Correct is morally wrong.)
To: geopyg
excellant point, and one I’m sure the AGW proponents will use.
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posted on
01/04/2008 7:30:00 AM PST
by
FBD
(My carbon footprint is bigger then yours)
To: El Gato
We are still in a Ice Age.
Our current time is considered as an Interglacial Warm Period; that is, the world still has major Ice Sheets but they are not advancing or covering up a large portion of North America or Europe.
What the Gorebal Warming shills never mention is that for many millions of year’s the Earth had no Ice Sheets. I guess they will blame that on Dinosaur farts.
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posted on
01/04/2008 7:42:47 AM PST
by
ohioman
To: familyop
Warm weather is not a bad thing. I know because this Island of Maui is loaded with tourist every winter. People mostly from the northern states and Canada. Proof that cold is not very popular.
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posted on
01/04/2008 7:50:14 AM PST
by
fish hawk
(The religion of Darwinism = Monkey Intellect)
To: FBD
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posted on
01/04/2008 10:42:16 AM PST
by
Freep EE
To: sionnsar
Notice the dates, 2014 and 2041; the very same as the deadlines in the massive climate-change induced rush to legislation.
In both cases the dates are tantalizingly close to observational proof but the warmers don’t want to take a chance, so they must strike now, while the iron is “hot.”
More and more, it seems like we’re getting hosed.
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posted on
01/04/2008 10:53:28 AM PST
by
Old Professer
(The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
To: umgud
No more than the interregnum causes wars.
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posted on
01/04/2008 10:55:00 AM PST
by
Old Professer
(The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
That conclusion precludes the absence of the previous periods having experienced any such mitigation to disrupt perfect cycles; were they all of equal duration?
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posted on
01/04/2008 10:58:36 AM PST
by
Old Professer
(The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
To: Old Professer
Your query prompted me to dig for citations.
The hypothesis of a delayed ice age was set out in a Scientific American article by William F. Ruddiman. Here's a link:
http://sciamdigital.com/index.cfm?fa=Products.ViewIssuePreview&ARTICLEID_CHAR=F9374686-2B35-221B-635B1D2A02A8B6D5
And another (whole article, minus graphs, for free):
http://www.atmos.ucla.edu/~liougst/Lecture/Ruddiman_SciAm_2005.pdf
Ruddiman has also written a book, which I haven't read, but is probably worth going to the library for. Here's a link:
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0691133980?ie=UTF8&tag=hatrackriver&link_code=em1&camp=212341&creative=384065&creativeASIN=0691133980&adid=61d4947b-1aaf-4899-94da-5a7191ecc309
Ruddiman's thesis is that humans have been altering the climate for at least 8,000 years -- and that's a
good thing.
There were some compelling graphs in Ruddiman's SciAm article, which I haven't been able to find. Here's a substitute that shows that the answer to your question is "No" -- or more precisely, we've been enjoying a prolonged plateau in the cycle, which (according to Ruddiman) should have dipped into glaciation thousands of years ago.
Here's a quote from Ruddiman's SciAm article:
"My findings add a new wrinkle to each scenario. If anything, such forecasts of an "impending" ice age were actually understated: new ice sheets should have begun to grow several millennia ago. The ice failed to grow because human-induced global warming actually began far earlier than previously thought--well before the industrial era.
In these kinds of hotly contested topics that touch on public policy, scientific results are often used for opposing ends. Global-warming skeptics could cite my work as evidence that human-generated greenhouse gases played a beneficial role for several thousand years by keeping the earth's climate more hospitable than it would otherwise have been. Others might counter that if so few humans with relatively primitive technologies were able to alter the course of climate so significantly, then we have reason to be concerned about the current rise of greenhouse gases to unparalleled concentrations at unprecedented rates.
The rapid warming of the past century is probably destined to persist for at least 200 years, until the economically accessible fossil fuels become scarce. Once that happens, the earth's climate should begin to cool gradually as the deep ocean slowly absorbs the pulse of excess CO2 from human activities. Whether global climate will cool enough to produce the long-overdue glaciation or remain warm enough to avoid that fate is impossible to predict.
To: sionnsar
What the “climate change” movement is really all about:
Madeline Albright once stated that mankind would be better off if the USA was not a superpower. (paraphrasing, does anyway have the exact quote?)
Many truly believe that the leading deterent to world peace is the USA. These people long for the USA to be “equal” to all the other socialist nations.
The United States cannot be defeated militarily. The “climate change” movement is only one way they are attacking Capitalism, American business and the American economy.
They are right about one thing. The United States of America is the greatest threat to world peace. America saved mankind from tryanny three times during the 20th century.
If not for the USA, the entire world would be lost to tyranny and then there would be world peace. As long as there are Free nations there will be war against dictators and tyrants or there will be no Free nations.
To: Freep EE
I sure hope so. I’m pretty sure that if this warming trend continues much longer, the AGW fear mongers are going to convince the general populace that we need to give away many of our auto/energy/heating freedoms, and tax fuel up the wazoo....all in their bogus claim of saving the planet.
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posted on
01/04/2008 7:49:13 PM PST
by
FBD
(My carbon footprint is bigger then yours)
To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA
I think it's doubtful that humans even today have more then a minute impact on the global temperature increases (of 4/10th’s of one degree C). But claiming AGW has been going on since preindustrial times? That seems ludicrous to me. I wonder: How does this guy, Ruddiman, explain the Little Ice age which occurred between 1400 AD and 1800?
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posted on
01/05/2008 4:46:37 AM PST
by
FBD
(My carbon footprint is bigger then yours)
To: backhoe
bump^ -great post, backhoe!
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posted on
01/05/2008 4:48:09 AM PST
by
FBD
(My carbon footprint is bigger then yours)
To: FBD
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posted on
01/05/2008 5:17:15 AM PST
by
backhoe
(-30-)
To: vox humana
He won’t either because he will have to give back his Nobel Peace Prize.
This conforms what I have suspected, the earth is in it’s natural heating/cooling cycle.
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posted on
01/05/2008 5:32:33 AM PST
by
tob2
To: devere
This author is in touch with reality.Wow, I guess that settles it then. Anything you'd like to add, like specific arguments?
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posted on
01/05/2008 5:43:13 AM PST
by
TN4Liberty
(Fred Thompson - the candidate for grownups.)
To: sionnsar
Remember, all these "predictions" (also spelled: "wild guesses") are being made by people and organizations (I.E. The Weather Channel) who CANNOT get todays weather right or change the 10-day forecast 35 times in the next 48 hours, "because the computer models changed." So, wouldn't that tell you that their stupid computer models could also be WRONG about their predictions ONE HUNDRED YEARS FROM NOW!!!!! NO, of course not!!! We might not be able to predict the weather TOMORROW or THE NEXT DAY, but we are ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY POSITIVE that the world is going to end in 100 years from the global warming hoax.
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posted on
01/05/2008 5:51:33 AM PST
by
RetiredArmy
(Better prepare, come Nov 08, we have a Marxist Commissar President and Marxist Congress.)
To: TN4Liberty
“Anything you’d like to add, like specific arguments?”
Ask Fred, he knows.
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posted on
01/05/2008 8:44:19 AM PST
by
devere
To: devere
Yeah, that’s what I thought.
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posted on
01/05/2008 8:45:48 AM PST
by
TN4Liberty
(Fred Thompson - the candidate for grownups.)
To: FBD
We agree that the global warming scare is a hoax.
I like Ruddiman’s hypothesis, because it’s reasonable and as “testable” as any other GW hypothesis out there.
Algorians claim we’re all gonna die because of man-made run-away global warming. (Oops — make that climate change, to cover any eventuality).
Opponents to Algore (i.e. rational people like FReepers) usually argue either that there is no global warming; or that there may be, but it’s entirely natural cycles.
Ruddiman gives us more ammo against the Goreheds. Only man-made global warming has kept us from a devastating ice-age for at least 2,000 years. We’re not gonna die, so long as we can keep up the good work of adding greenhouse gases to the atmosphere.
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