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Top Vatican Cardinal Tells the [Liberal] Jesuits to Clean Up their Act
Life Site News -- Your Life, Family, and Culture Outpost ^ | January 7, 2008 | John-Henry Westen

Posted on 01/07/2008 8:03:28 PM PST by topher

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To: topher

I have no doubt he feels genuine sorrow.


41 posted on 01/08/2008 6:49:19 AM PST by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: netmilsmom

I don’t think that’s totally fair. JP Magnus wasn’t the hardline conservative I would have liked him to be, in the end, but he was no liberal either.


42 posted on 01/08/2008 6:58:35 AM PST by ichabod1 ("Self defense is not only our right, it is our duty." President Ronald Reagan)
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To: netmilsmom

JP2 was doing the groundwork that led to the election of Benedict XVI, which would have been unthinkable in the 1980s.


43 posted on 01/08/2008 7:54:06 AM PST by dangus
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To: Cicero

BUMP


44 posted on 01/08/2008 8:20:02 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: livius

There was an article by Benedict Groeschel, I’m afraid I forget where I read it, saying that the lesson of history is that religious orders that are that far gone don’t recover.

Of course Groeschel has taken that advice, as have others.

As you probably know, St. Ignatius puts more than the usual emphasis on the vow of obedience. Regretably, although the good Cardinal speaks well of the retiring General of the order, he seems to have covertly encouraged perversion and dissent. Yet he did so covertly, so it must be hard to justify disobeying him or those he has designated to lead.

As you also know, the Jesuits take a special fourth vow to serve the Pope. But when JP II put the order into receivership and tried to run it directly, the Jesuits refused to cooperate, so he finally backed off. Other than dissolving the order, which was done once before (whether justly or not, who knows?), it’s a very difficult situation.

Certainly the first indicator people will look for is whether they elect a faithful and obedient Jesuit to lead them. Frankly, I doubt that they will.


45 posted on 01/08/2008 8:20:11 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: topher

You can read it both ways. St. John of the Cross and St. Teresa of Avila reformed the Carmelites, but basically they did so by founding a new order of Discalced Carmelites. There were still Carmelites of the old kind, and they were not reformed.

The same thing with the Benedictines of Cluny. Yes, they were Benedictines, but in practical effect they were a new order of reformed Benedictines.

So, too, Fr. Benedict Groeschel is the founder of the Francisan Friars of the Renewal. Yes, they are Franciscans, but they are also in effect a new order.

You could say the same of the Dominican Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Eucharist.

Probably in a few hundred years the old orders of Benedictines, Franciscans, and Dominicans will have largely died out, but there will be new, reformed orders who will take their places as Benedictines, Franciscans, and Dominicans.

I managed to get on the hook to one of the old orders of Domincan Sisters. They are deeply in debt, their order consists mainly of 90-year-old nuns in what amounts to a nunnery turned nursing facility chronically short of money, always in need of a new furnace or something, basically because all the younger sisters took off and abandoned them. I also happen to donate to the Domican Sisters of Mary, Mother of the Eucharist. Their problem is that they have an absolute flood of young, smiling, eager postulants, and they keep needing more money to expand their facilities.

The old order sadly dies, the new order takes its place and attracts new postulants. You see it all over the place.


46 posted on 01/08/2008 8:31:38 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: topher

Wow. That’s a very public dressing down.


47 posted on 01/08/2008 9:09:58 AM PST by colorado tanker
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To: ichabod1
No, he was more concerned about evangelizing than cleaning up his own backyard. He should have been much more concerned about what was going on with the lavender mafia than the breakdancers at the Papal masses.

Great spiritual man. He only woke up at the end of his life to the problems he ignored.

48 posted on 01/08/2008 9:31:22 AM PST by netmilsmom (Financing James Marsden's kid's college fund, 1 ticket, 1 DVD at a time.)
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To: dangus

Only at the end of his life. He let years slip away.


49 posted on 01/08/2008 9:32:16 AM PST by netmilsmom (Financing James Marsden's kid's college fund, 1 ticket, 1 DVD at a time.)
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To: topher

Great news, indeed!

B16 is just the exorcist that the Jebbies need right now.


51 posted on 01/08/2008 11:22:04 AM PST by Bigg Red (Duncan Hunter in 2008!)
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To: Dick Vomer

When can we go back to saying mass and quit singing all the time....

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Amen to that, myu FRiend.

Just keep stumbling back — like the rest of us.


52 posted on 01/08/2008 11:25:38 AM PST by Bigg Red (Duncan Hunter in 2008!)
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To: livius
A wonderful ex-Jesuit did start a new order. Fr. Richard Ho Lung founded Missionaries of the Poor in 1981 when he tired of “teaching rich kids to become richer” (I paraphrase) at Boston College. My family and I have been involved with MOP in Haiti and Jamaica where they tend to the poorest of the poor, sick and dying, etc... in the same vein as Mother Theresa’s order.

From their Mission Statement: “We desire to be a manifestation of the presence of Christ in the world as He continues to live and care for the poorest. We do this through a life of prayer, communal living and free service to the least in society, offering primarily the corporal works of mercy and secondarily, the spiritual works of mercy.”

Visit the MOP web site to learn about what Fr. Ho Lung has done and you will be very impressed, I promise. http://www.missionariesofthepoor.org/

53 posted on 01/11/2008 1:09:48 PM PST by HartNJ
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