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Top Vatican Cardinal Tells the [Liberal] Jesuits to Clean Up their Act
Life Site News -- Your Life, Family, and Culture Outpost ^ | January 7, 2008 | John-Henry Westen

Posted on 01/07/2008 8:03:28 PM PST by topher

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To: ichabod1

This news, coupled with the return of the Latin Mass makes me very happy.


21 posted on 01/07/2008 9:09:07 PM PST by basil (Support the Second Amendment--buy another gun today!)
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To: icwhatudo
When can we go back to saying mass and quit singing all the time, holding hands and just go back to trying to save sinners like me without the political B.S.

signed,

a fallen Catholic and poor Christian trying to stumble back to God's grace.

22 posted on 01/07/2008 9:53:48 PM PST by Dick Vomer (liberals suck....... but it depends on what your definition of the word "suck" is.,)
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To: basil
This news, coupled with the return of the Latin Mass makes me very happy.

Just what I was going to say. All I need to see now is the complete Third Secret.

23 posted on 01/07/2008 10:00:28 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture™)
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To: icwhatudo

I’m impressed. It’s about time they cleaned it up.


24 posted on 01/07/2008 10:06:56 PM PST by antceecee (where do we go from here Ollie?.)
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25 posted on 01/07/2008 10:18:58 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Salvation

This is good to hear.


26 posted on 01/07/2008 10:33:17 PM PST by Sun (Duncan Hunter: pro-God/life/borders, understands Red China threat, NRA A+rating! www.gohunter08.com)
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To: antceecee
John Paul II tried to turn the Jesuits around more than 20 years ago, but failed: the liberals in the Church were too strong. But Benedict XVI has been in the thick of things in Rome for thirty years and he, apparently thinks it is now or never to strike at the head of the snakes. For a man of his years he has exhibited remarkable energy, but he is still having to feeling his way. The ground is treacherous.
27 posted on 01/07/2008 11:00:05 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: antceecee
John Paul II tried to turn the Jesuits around more than 20 years ago, but failed: the liberals in the Church were too strong. But Benedict XVI has been in the thick of things in Rome for thirty years and he, apparently thinks it is now or never to strike at the head of the snakes. For a man of his years he has exhibited remarkable energy, but he is still having to feeling his way. The ground is treacherous.
28 posted on 01/07/2008 11:00:05 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: RobbyS; antceecee
John Paul II tried to turn the Jesuits around more than 20 years ago, but failed:

Perhaps he was a bit distracted by some bigger fish to fry like defeating the Soviet Union in eastern Europed including his home country of Poland.

29 posted on 01/08/2008 12:17:01 AM PST by Paleo Conservative (I'm not celebrating Kwanza!)
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To: ichabod1
He may be genuinely saddened and not using the wording.

A true saint will suffer sorrow when the church falls astray...

The Seven Sorrows of Mary comes to mind as an example.

On the other hand, Saint Padre Pio, when he had to, harshly criticized sinners in the confessional so they would be truly repenant.

He did feel bad about getting so much pleasure out of such scolding of sinners in the confessional...

The final example is Jesus in the Temple with the money changers. He had no patience whatsoever or charity for them. He took whips after them... So His punishment of those sinners in the Temple were quite severe.

However, the Jesuits are deeply within the Temple of the Lord, so lashing out at them and their sins may be similar to what Jesus did in the Gospel with the Money Changers...

30 posted on 01/08/2008 12:25:29 AM PST by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: Salvation
There also has impact on politics, as some of the liberalism of the Jesuits has found its way into Hollywood and the Democratic Party, in my opinion...

This could adversely affect the Democratic Party this year, if the Catholic Church starts rejecting socialism and liberal ideas such as homosexuality, abortion, and other things the Jesuits allowed to enter the Church -- especially in Catholic Universities...

31 posted on 01/08/2008 12:28:32 AM PST by topher (Let us return to old-fashioned morality - morality that has stood the test of time...)
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To: topher
I'm sure there are good and bad in everything, but Jesuit's have, for the most part, BEEN COMMIES!!!!!!!!!!

When you hear of some priests getting shot in the head in Central America, guess what,....It turn out to be Jesuit's. It seems they were helping the commies run guns or something to Pi$$ off the local dictator. It never fails. They need to stay out of the local politics, but it seems they are always more interested in getting along with the Che Guevara or Chavez types than saving lost souls. They will tell you Jesus was a communist, if you ask them. They seem to have gotten the Church and government mixed up. If you are Christian, you are supposed to give your cloak to a stranger, not take everyone else's cloak and give it to whom you think worthy.

32 posted on 01/08/2008 1:09:39 AM PST by chuckles
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To: Cicero
It’s really a question whether a religious order can reform itself when the rot has spread so widely. In most cases, religious orders that have decayed to that extent have simply died off, and have been replaced by new, reformed orders.

I've often wondered why some of the "good Jesuits" (such as Fr. Fessio) didn't seek permission to start some new order. However, the Jesuit order had a very strong charism, that is, a unique mission and spirituality, and perhaps they hung in there hoping that there would be a return to that someday. The order has been more than decimated; I believe it is the order that has had the sharpest decline in membership and, not coincidentally, the highest AIDS rate of all of them. So perhaps the "good Jesuits" are hoping that they'll be the last men standing and thus will inherit the order and be able to reform it.

Personally, I think so much damage has been done to its internal life and external reputation that this would be impossible, but as you say, with God...

33 posted on 01/08/2008 3:19:35 AM PST by livius
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To: G Larry

“At least 40 years late, but I’m glad to see the clean up begin.”

40 years ago would be 1967. I am curious if that year is of any significance to you personally, because it to me. 1967 was my freshman year in a Jesuit college. For 4 years, I was brainwashed by their “situational ethics” approach to morality. It took me a good 10 years after graduation in 1971 to finally put that nonsense behind me.

During that time,I did and said things that today I am embarrassed to even think of. It is amazing the things you can and will do when you think there are no absolutes.

I am glad I came to my senses before I had children.


34 posted on 01/08/2008 3:19:47 AM PST by shaft29
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To: topher
My wife and brother went to a Jesuit college - LeMoyne in Syracuse.

LeMoyne College.

The Jesuits were completely liberal, both in politics and their heresies to the Christian scriptures.

But what shocked me more than anything was being invited to a party once, and seeing two male Jesuit priests kissing and groping each other in the corner.

35 posted on 01/08/2008 3:23:45 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: Antoninus
Long overdue. Sadly, the Jesuit order won’t self-correct. Scalps will need to be taken, probably by the hundred, before any difference can be made.

I agree. The Jesuits will only sneer at this speech (and that was all it was), and will wear their defiance as a "Badge of Honor."

The Pope has to defrock, punish, and pour publc shame over scores of Jesuits (and liberal priests) before anything will change.

They are too grounded in their liberalism and heresy.

Only negative reinforcement will get through to them.

36 posted on 01/08/2008 3:28:29 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: icwhatudo
"His top guy for cleaning up American seminaries is now the new bishop of Baltimore. The days of the “Pink Palace” are over and the Maryland libs are freaking out."

Excellent!
37 posted on 01/08/2008 4:39:02 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (A voter wavering between wanting radical change and burning the damn place down)
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To: Dick Vomer

Amen and right on!


38 posted on 01/08/2008 4:40:30 AM PST by Convert from ECUSA (A voter wavering between wanting radical change and burning the damn place down)
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To: SkyPilot
Jesuit priests kissing and groping each other in the corner.

Fr. Fitzdesmond fitz Fr. Fitzgerald? I hope they don't try any funny stuff with the Christian Brothers. BTW, just had to leave during a "sermon." The prancing pastor sounded as if he were attempting to sell the latest permanent wave machine to a colleague. Cracked me up, actually.

39 posted on 01/08/2008 4:52:52 AM PST by Kenny Bunk (Round up the Dark Horses, boys. This herd of contenders ain't makin' it.)
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To: Paleo Conservative

>>Perhaps he was a bit distracted by some bigger fish to fry like defeating the Soviet Union in eastern Europed including his home country of Poland.<<

So what was the excuse after the 80’s?
JPII was a wonderfully spiritual man who let the libs run away with the church. He spent more time talking to heathens than the conservative Catholics, who were begging him to do something.

B16 is cleaning up his mess.


40 posted on 01/08/2008 5:02:26 AM PST by netmilsmom (Financing James Marsden's kid's college fund, 1 ticket, 1 DVD at a time.)
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