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Dishonest on the death penalty
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 1/8/8 | Debra J. Saunders

Posted on 1/8/2008, 3:56:23 PM by SmithL

As the U.S. Supreme Court considers arguments from attorneys for two convicted murderers from Kentucky who claim that the three-drug lethal injection protocol used in most death-penalty states can cause excruciating pain, do not be fooled. The same thug-hugging lawyers who complain that a convicted killer - Goddess forbid - might conceivably feel pain during execution (if the drugs are not administered properly) often are the first to keep doctors out of the execution chamber, because they want the alleged possibility of pain as a legal argument.

That's how much they care about their clients. Or it shows how bogus they know their excruciating-pain argument to be.

Start with the bogus medical argument that the three-drug protocol may cause "excruciating pain" - and hence violates the Eighth Amendment protection against "cruel and unusual punishment." In that the Kentucky protocol starts with the administration of 10 times the amount of sodium pentothal needed to start invasive surgery, there is no chance that the other two drugs will cause pain for a convicted killer during execution. And no one has proven that an executed inmate has felt any pain from the three-drug cocktail.

Yes, some politicized medical journals have been willing to publish alleged research that supports the bogus pain argument, but they do so to their own discredit. In 2005, the British medical journal, The Lancet, ran a piece that reported that blood samples taken from executed prisons showed concentrations of the sodium pentothal that "were lower than that required for surgery in 43 of 49 executed inmates." It turns out the samples were taken as long as two days after death, which allowed the drug to dissipate.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: deathpenalty; scotus
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1 posted on 1/8/2008, 3:56:24 PM by SmithL
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To: SmithL
As Scalia said “there is no painless requirement” in the Constitution.
2 posted on 1/8/2008, 3:59:25 PM by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: SmithL

If they feel any pain, they are free to file an appeal!


3 posted on 1/8/2008, 4:00:05 PM by catman67
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To: SmithL

I heard Scalia yesterday speak to this and I’m not sure he did the CP proponents any favors despite his intent to the contrary.

He basically said that if death by firing squad and electrocution are still legal means of CP, then death my lethal injection shouldn’t be considered cruel and usual.

I’m not sure he made the point correctly.


4 posted on 1/8/2008, 4:00:20 PM by Slapshot68
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To: SmithL

bttt


6 posted on 1/8/2008, 4:02:09 PM by JamesP81 ("I am against "zero tolerance" policies. It is a crutch for idiots." --FReeper Tenacious 1)
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To: SmithL

If it were up to me...one injection-—hydrochloric acid.

NEXT?


7 posted on 1/8/2008, 4:02:29 PM by digger48
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To: SmithL
The punishment has to be cruel and unusual. Lethal injection certainly isn't unusual, as it is used by most states.
8 posted on 1/8/2008, 4:02:52 PM by pnh102
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To: SmithL

The terror if this debate’s triviality is that for many of them, the pain they feel during execution, is nothing near the pain they’ll know afterwards...and forever.


9 posted on 1/8/2008, 4:03:35 PM by AnalogReigns
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To: JackRyanCIA

That or hanging.

The long drop properly done is as painless as a criminal
deserves.


10 posted on 1/8/2008, 4:04:04 PM by rahbert
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To: SmithL

“Goddess forbid”

I like that another pagan with some conservative leanings.


11 posted on 1/8/2008, 4:05:14 PM by bilhosty
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To: digger48

Hanged, drawn and quartered worked at the Common Law; if the Constitution is somehow too vague on this point for 21st century do-gooders, we should revert to the Common Law.


12 posted on 1/8/2008, 4:05:40 PM by Mr. Lucky
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To: SmithL

I’m sure if this “pain” argument loses in the SCOTUS, some enterprising attorney will try to bring up the “mental anguish” of knowing you are going to be executed as being cruel and unusual punishment. Clearly what the founding Fathers had in mind with this part of the constitution was to ban such practices as drawing and quartering which were still practiced in England at the time.


13 posted on 1/8/2008, 4:07:37 PM by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: digger48

Just hang the bastard.


14 posted on 1/8/2008, 4:08:00 PM by Unicorn (Too many wimps around.)
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To: JackRyanCIA
Use nitrogen asphyxiation.

Completely painless.

End of story.

L

15 posted on 1/8/2008, 4:08:20 PM by Lurker (Pimping my blog: http://lurkerslair-lurker.blogspot.com/)
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To: pnh102

Perhaps they should use the accepted humane methods used in late term abortions. Liberals seem to see no problem with ramming scissors into a skull.


16 posted on 1/8/2008, 4:12:11 PM by joshhiggins
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To: SmithL
claim that the three-drug lethal injection protocol used in most death-penalty states can cause excruciating pain

As opposed to the pain free murders they committed? Sheesh!

Goddess forbid
Huh?? Photobucket

17 posted on 1/8/2008, 4:12:57 PM by girlscout
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To: pnh102

How many people were on Death Row nationwide in 200x, and of them, how many were actually put to death? That has been successfully used in an appeal as I recall, because the % was very small. My arg was: well, then speed up the process!


18 posted on 1/8/2008, 4:20:44 PM by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll.)
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To: girlscout

Don’t read too much into Debra’s use of “Goddess forbid”, it was just another shot at the thug-hugging lawyers.

I really enjoy her sly use of language, especially when she refers to SF as the “Special City” and talks about “our betters in Europe.”


19 posted on 1/8/2008, 4:24:06 PM by SmithL (Fred!)
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