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Fred Draws Line Hints at Huck Attack (Going after Huckster)
Real Clear Politics ^ | 1/10/08 | Tom Bevan

Posted on 01/10/2008 3:51:22 PM PST by darkmatter

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To: DWar
I see mitt dropping out. His base is a mix of RINO’s and NEA educated losers.......mitt will support obama
41 posted on 01/10/2008 4:48:00 PM PST by captnorb
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To: darkmatter

Thompson needs to seriously raise his voice and go ‘out of character’ when he calls out Huckabee. He needs to get angry or something. Otherwise, nobody will take notice.


42 posted on 01/10/2008 4:48:40 PM PST by Swordfished
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To: commish

Right on the money.


43 posted on 01/10/2008 4:49:44 PM PST by captnorb
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To: snarkybob
Well fortunately the cooler political heads at the top of the GOP will do what needs to be done before that will happen. At some point in time things go past popularity and into what is best in the long run.

If McCain was to come unglued in the General election, the GOP would be left with no candidate and in the eyes of the public they would have been guilty of running a person with emotional issues for the highest office in the land.

Do you think that would be a wise thing for the GOP to do? Trust me, they don't.

44 posted on 01/10/2008 4:50:08 PM PST by ejonesie22 (In America all people have a right to be wrong, some just exercise it a bit much...)
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To: AmericanVictory

If it were only that simple...


45 posted on 01/10/2008 4:51:42 PM PST by ejonesie22 (In America all people have a right to be wrong, some just exercise it a bit much...)
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To: captnorb

mitt endorsing obama would not surprise me in the least.


46 posted on 01/10/2008 4:58:14 PM PST by festus (Fred Thompson '08)
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To: ejonesie22

“Well fortunately the cooler political heads at the top of the GOP will do what needs to be done before that will happen.”

Again you have implied that McCain won’t win the nomination (in fact you’ve all but guaranteed it) but McCain is in fact in a position to make a competitive run at it. Cooler heads at the top of the GOP are all well and good except of course the people get to vote. You keep alluding to some secret knowledge that you have, but in real life, if McCain wins SC and continues to gain momentum he’ll be a contender. I have a hard time believing McCain would drop out of a race that it looks like he could win just because some higher ups in the GOP told him he had to. McCain has in the past had no problem at all bucking the GOP.


47 posted on 01/10/2008 5:03:57 PM PST by snarkybob (')
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To: snarkybob
Ok, maybe so.

But one thought.

If you were the big boys at the GOP, and knew what level of risk he is, would you do everything you could politically and then some to contain that risk? His is a unique case.

Think strategically, not personally. Think like a political party hack, think like you are in the backroom, not an individual.

The good thing is it will probably be a moot point in the near future. They were saying the same things about McCain 8 years ago after NH...

48 posted on 01/10/2008 5:15:23 PM PST by ejonesie22 (In America all people have a right to be wrong, some just exercise it a bit much...)
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To: snarkybob
Ok, maybe so.

But one thought.

If you were the big boys at the GOP, and knew what level of risk he is, would you do everything you could politically and then some to contain that risk? His is a unique case.

Think strategically, not personally. Think like a political party hack, think like you are in the backroom, not an individual.

The good thing is it will probably be a moot point in the near future. They were saying the same things about McCain 8 years ago after NH...

49 posted on 01/10/2008 5:15:25 PM PST by ejonesie22 (In America all people have a right to be wrong, some just exercise it a bit much...)
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To: commish
Hit Huck and hit him hard Fred.

Of course that, but also I would love to see him take McCain on about the Senate expunging fence money from the budget. Also, a b*tch slapping of Britt seems to be overly due..

50 posted on 01/10/2008 5:17:32 PM PST by Mensius
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To: ejonesie22

It’s not complicated. One candidate can show that he backed a winning strategy when others were tippy toeing and engaging in avoidance. Then he asserts that if elected he will get Bin Laden. The others offer no strategic thoughts at all and don’t give any impression that they care about winning. McCain’s numbers go up. What’s complicated?


51 posted on 01/10/2008 5:24:05 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: AmericanVictory
The outlying issues...

It’s politics...

BTW except for Huckabee, I have seen little of “avoiding the war” or in Huck’s case dogging Bush, just more discussions on other issues, which there are many others beside the war.

Oh, except Paul, but he doesn’t count really...

52 posted on 01/10/2008 5:34:27 PM PST by ejonesie22 (In America all people have a right to be wrong, some just exercise it a bit much...)
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To: DWar
Yep....Fred will dump on Huckabee, help McCain win in SC, place fourth after Romney, dropout and endorse McCain.

Got that right. I'm starting to believe he's only in it at this point to help McCain.

53 posted on 01/10/2008 6:29:24 PM PST by SoCar (Get rid of Goober Graham!)
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To: ejonesie22

What specific suggestions for winning the war can you name, and by whom have they been made?


54 posted on 01/10/2008 7:52:50 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: AmericanVictory

Well lets just avoid the point that there is more to all this than just the war, and that is no reason to back McCain becuse of all his other issues.

However, I’ll bite:

http://www.fred08.com/Principles/PrinciplesSummary.aspx?View=OnTheIssues


55 posted on 01/10/2008 8:12:03 PM PST by ejonesie22 (In America all people have a right to be wrong, some just exercise it a bit much...)
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To: ejonesie22

If you have read any of our articles and our postings here over the year you would understand that there is more to war than you seem to posit and that your “more than just the war” is in fact, in many, many respects part of the war.

You may remember a while back a book that became popular here among strategic thinkers by two ChiCom colonels about unrestricted warfare. After reading it Admiral Moorer remarked to me at the time: “It’s not like they didn’t tell us what they intend to do.” They are doing it and they are quietly encouraging the terrorists to employ what we commonly now call asymmetric warfare, the capability for which is only going to increase because of our technology which we have developed but the Islamic theo-fascists intend to continue using against us more and more to spread their fanatical version of Islam based on oil income, which they believe Allah gave them and we have been stupid to allow to continue.

So long as citizens wear blinders in this regard and have such a narrow view of war so that what is really happening is excluded from our public thinking and discourse, we will not be able to effectively respond.

Here is the first of the ideas from the website you reference: “A larger, more capable, and more modern military that can defeat terrorists, deter adversaries, and defend the U.S. and our interests.” That is a specific idea and a correct one. If we are, as so many keep saying: “stretched too thin,” the obvious answer is to thicken things. President Bush has made a cautious move in this direction, and it will be necessary to greatly expand the effort in that direction, but what is that increase to consist of, at least in broad outline and, most importantly, how will it coordinate with other efforts outside of the traditional concept of warfare and in the arena of unrestricted warfare?

We need more vision and leadership from all the candidates in this regard.


56 posted on 01/10/2008 8:42:38 PM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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To: AmericanVictory
There are many issues at stake here, and yes I am more than familiar with the scope of the current conflict and it’s political and socio-economic ramifications. (BTW I am not sure who the “we" you refer to is)

But the public is war weary and needs a break. With the exception of Ron Paul and Huckabee, all the republican candidates seem to be very much intent on continuing the war as it has progressed if indeed not escalate to some extent. Just because it is not the first and last word out of their mouths at every turn does not reduce their comitmtment but acknowledges where things are for the majority of voters right now. Bread and butter issues both related and unrelated to the conflict are in the minds of most.

Anyways, the given example of my candidate, and many others here at FR, Fred Thompson is clear as to what he wants to do. Indeed it seems he wants to re assert the case, something that sadly the Bush administration has not done a great job on, despite being very correct in most of their actions to date.

As far as the initial subject, John McCain, while he has a good if not excellent stance on the WOT, others have one as well without the problems on a number of other Conservative issues that cause concern among a vast majority on Free Republic. They also do not have the risk to the GOP of having an outburst during the General Election that could leave the party high and dry. This is of concern among many at the RNC.

57 posted on 01/11/2008 1:59:05 AM PST by ejonesie22 (In America all people have a right to be wrong, some just exercise it a bit much...)
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To: Ron in Acreage

He did.


58 posted on 01/11/2008 2:43:20 AM PST by Jim Robinson (Our God-given unalienable rights are not open to debate, negotiation or compromise!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Yes he did. I hope he keeps up the energy and passion he displayed last night and he can turn this thing around. Hopefully SC will come to its senses put Fred on top.


59 posted on 01/11/2008 5:50:34 AM PST by Ron in Acreage (Thinking of new tagline)
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To: ejonesie22

Thank you. You make our point very well.


60 posted on 01/11/2008 6:34:14 AM PST by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them, or they like us?)
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