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Freedom’s Dictators History shows liberalism shares much with fascism.
Victor Davis Hanson on The Web ^ | 01-10-2008 | Bruce Thornton

Posted on 01/11/2008 9:19:00 AM PST by HKMk23

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To: VR-21
I've driven by one of the former campsites at Manzanar, in the California high desert along Hwy 395, many times. It's a desolate little patch of seasonally hot or cold -- but always windy -- misery; almost certainly an unnecessary blot on our American honor.
21 posted on 01/11/2008 12:55:10 PM PST by HKMk23 (AUT VINCERI AUT MORI)
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Read the whole review.........now on to the book!

Thanks


22 posted on 01/11/2008 1:00:36 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker (Pray for, and support our troops(heroes) !! And vote out the RINO's!!)
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To: antinomian
But the ancient Egyptians never claimed to be liberal, which was the point I was replying to.

Got it. I was rather sidetracked with the reservation/gulag comparison, so didn't address your main point squarely.

Your argument that the left appropriating the term "liberal" as a means to ride the coattails of an unearned legacy is apt. I would observe that such propagandist relabeling lands "liberals" squarely in the cozy company of minds like Josepf Goebbels; a noted expert in making things seem unlike what they really were.

This practice allows the liberal cabal to comfortably pursue their ardent worship of indiscriminateness (cf. Regurgitating the Apple: How Modern Liberals "Think", by Evan Sayet) by painting both the black and the white in a uniform shade that photographers know as "18% Grey".

The on-the-fly redefinition of terms caused by their misappropriation produces a lignustic flexibility that allows black to be white, and vice-versa. In such an environment, there is no superiority to "good", and there is no inferiority to "evil". Indeed, "evil" becomes the more preferred as it is only by comparison to "good" that "evil" is determined, evidencing that "evil" must have been all this time the victim of the repressive "good"; an historic wrong that the liberal mind is determined to set right.

...in both cases the objective was to eliminate huge numbers of inconvenient people.

This is the part of the reservation/gulag comparison that I'm struggling with. While it is certainly true that no great effort was made to ensure the survival and well-being of those herded onto the reservations, I don't have a source that conclusively demonstrates that the reservations were intended to be the last stop on the way to extinction of the tribal nations. Do you have such a source?

23 posted on 01/11/2008 1:29:23 PM PST by HKMk23 (AUT VINCERI AUT MORI)
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To: HKMk23

ping


24 posted on 01/11/2008 4:14:26 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: HKMk23
I wrote about this over two years ago,


25 posted on 01/12/2008 10:41:39 AM PST by inpajamas (Modern liberalism is merely fascism without balls - http://skarbutts.wordpress.com/)
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To: inpajamas; wintertime; stephenjohnbanker; antinomian; VR-21; Dumb_Ox; dfwgator; docbnj; ...

Yeah, I guess you DID write about this.

PING to all prior posters.

Substantive additional input. See link at post #25.


26 posted on 01/12/2008 8:53:50 PM PST by HKMk23 (AUT VINCERI AUT MORI)
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I often ask people that hate Republicans if they know what NAZI stands for. They can't seem to get that national socialism means you lose your freedom to the state. The "people's car"(VW) is and example of the state designing a car. Nothing wrong with it, can be made a good car, but what happens when you are forced to buy only what the state requires? Do you really want a Yugo? An example just today in Drudge is California wanting to take over your thermostat in the house YOU pay for to save energy that YOU pay for. We can collectively agree to save energy, but when you come into my house and turn MY thermostat down when I want it up, that seems fascist to me. How about Britain wanting to harvest your organs even when you don't want them to?

Government is FORCE. Freedom is anarchy. Our Founders wanted a maximum of freedom because we were a Christian nation. Our laws were inadequate for anyone but Christians. As we move away from being Godly people, we lose our freedom and require more laws. Children are taught that being liberal is good and conservative is bad in school. The Nazi's were liberal socialists, the Communists were liberal socialists, conservatives want more personal freedom and consider government force should be at a minimum. Liberal socialists believe in force to get what they want and are responsible for more murder in the 20th century than all murders put together in the past.

It should frighten people that anybody, especially Obama or Clinton, should have complete control over their lives. Liberals are just conservatives that haven't grown up yet. In the past, maturity and age was respected. Today, young people somehow have been told they are smarter than people that have lived through most of the things the young people haven't even thought of. When I see an 18 year old protesting, I can't see anyone taking them seriously because they can't possibly understand what is at stake. They haven't lived long enough to have a clue.

27 posted on 01/12/2008 9:34:32 PM PST by chuckles
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