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Mysterious $100 ‘supernote’ counterfeit bills appear across world
Kansas City Star ^ | 1/12/08 | Kevin G. Hall

Posted on 01/12/2008 7:02:14 AM PST by Non-Sequitur

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To: null and void

” You might also point out that the new printers and copiers that they bought have software that detects attempts to copy/print banknotes, and will tattle on them...”

Interesting story: I had a customer who wanted a marble pattern in the background of a brochure. He brought in a 12” x 12” piece of green marble floor tile to scan. The tile had green and black colors, very similar to the color variation of money. (This was about 6 years ago before the Fed’s changed the color of our money). My scanner wouldn’t correctly scan the color. It came out black and white. I’ve never before or since had the same problem. I always wondered about that.


21 posted on 01/12/2008 8:00:00 AM PST by live+let_live
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To: Non-Sequitur

Wow...is this your first non-southern bashing thread?


22 posted on 01/12/2008 8:03:39 AM PST by catfish1957 (I will not bow down to her Thighness or the Taliban Section of our party. (Huck or Mitt))
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Wow...is this your first non-southern bashing thread?

You need to get out more often.

23 posted on 01/12/2008 8:04:48 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: Sender

Yep. Ordinary paper is wood pulp with a starch sizing, the iodine in that felt tip will stain it purple.

Banknote paper is actually a thin felt, mostly cotton fibers, with a protein sizing.

I’m told there are a number of synthetic odors added to the bills. These are ones that humans lack receptors for, but dogs can smell.

That beagle at the airport? He’s not just sniffing for bombs, he’s also looking for currency being smuggled out of the country...


24 posted on 01/12/2008 8:05:12 AM PST by null and void (Conservatives are tired of being sucked up to every 4 years and stabbed in the back for the next 3.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

I guess so.....


25 posted on 01/12/2008 8:06:42 AM PST by catfish1957 (I will not bow down to her Thighness or the Taliban Section of our party. (Huck or Mitt))
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To: live+let_live

Hmmmmmmm. Could be, Doc. *munches carrot*


26 posted on 01/12/2008 8:07:19 AM PST by null and void (Conservatives are tired of being sucked up to every 4 years and stabbed in the back for the next 3.)
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To: Non-Sequitur

The North Koreans have absolutley no need to protect their currency since anyone capable of counterfeiting it would choose a better currency to copy.

I simply do not assume that a nation that can produce ballistic missiles and nuclear weapons cannot produce counterfeit currency.

I sort of dismiss the CIA theory because of the likely consequences if such a plot were discovered. You can mark genuine currency. What things of value would the CIA exchange for the purported counterfeit currency?

Since even this muddling article admits that North Korean diplomats have distributed the super notes, excuse if, when I hear hooves, I expect to find a horse, maybe a mule, a burro or a donkey, but rarely a zebra.


27 posted on 01/12/2008 8:07:27 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Being an idealist excuses nothing. Hitler was an idealist.)
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To: catfish1957
Wow...is this your first non-southern bashing thread?

Nahhhh, he had another one about six months ago...

28 posted on 01/12/2008 8:08:06 AM PST by null and void (Conservatives are tired of being sucked up to every 4 years and stabbed in the back for the next 3.)
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To: live+let_live

I’m a printer and I have people ask me once in a while how hard is it to counterfeit? I ask them who are they trying to fool?

I was looking at purchasing a ‘huge’ networked laser copier a few years ago and the tech told me that there is software in it to recognize if money was copied - after the third attempt, the machine calls the FBI.

Not sure if this is urban legend, but thought it interesting...


29 posted on 01/12/2008 8:09:38 AM PST by Dasaji (The U.S.A. is the Land of Opportunity and you've got 50 states to do it in!)
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To: Non-Sequitur
Speaking of embedded strips, I love the rumor, old as it is, that the cops on the overpass of an interstate are actually pinging for those strips...to see how much cash a car is carrying!

:o)

-Joan

30 posted on 01/12/2008 8:10:25 AM PST by JoanVarga ("¿Por qué no te callas?")
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To: Non-Sequitur

Wasn’t it just this summer that some Russian diplomats tried to pass some counterfeits here in the US?


31 posted on 01/12/2008 8:10:41 AM PST by Domandred (Eagles soar, but unfortunately weasels never get sucked into jet engines)
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To: null and void

You might also point out that the new printers and copiers that they bought have software that detects attempts to copy/print banknotes, and will tattle on them...

Guess I should have scrolled down to see your answer...so it IS true!


32 posted on 01/12/2008 8:10:55 AM PST by Dasaji (The U.S.A. is the Land of Opportunity and you've got 50 states to do it in!)
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To: Sender

“Many businesses where I shop will routinely swipe some kind of felt-tip marker across the paper of the bill. So there is some kind of chemistry test, too.”

I’m not positive, but I believe that the reason the color changes is due to the ink being absorbed into the paper before it eventually fades.

I worked as a cashier at Home Depot and noticed that if you take a recipt with one glossy side and one regular feeling paper side, and mark both sides with the counterfit pen than the glossy side stays yellow (good) and the regular feeling side turns black (bad).


33 posted on 01/12/2008 8:13:17 AM PST by samson1097
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To: Non-Sequitur
Interesting topic. I have read somewhere that our currency security is the most high tech in the world, even to the point they have 8-10 layers of "fail safe" If the technology has gotten out of our hands, how did it happen, and why?

Secondly, its there any truth (urban legend) that the mint (printing office) has CIA connections if needed to encode the strips on the left sides of the bill.

34 posted on 01/12/2008 8:13:20 AM PST by catfish1957 (I will not bow down to her Thighness or the Taliban Section of our party. (Huck or Mitt))
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I would think that some copiers are good enough to accurately copy the image of a bill but the texture of the paper....who has bill paper? Not like you can go to Office Depot and get reams of money paper. I think my fingers would quickly detect a funny money feel way before I could notice anything with my eyes and I doubt I could do that very well. If you bought a fancy copier for your home I don’t see how it could tattle on you. What’s it going to do? Slip a note to the bug man?


35 posted on 01/12/2008 8:15:37 AM PST by A knight without armor
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Look at the source CIA. Many other sources have Iran printing billions of dollars per year. North K. did not print as much. Who bought the treasury’s old machines?

What, you think they sold them on ebay?

I would not be surprised if they gave them away to our competitors. Remember the billions of new $100 that Hussein had in Iraq that were counterfeit. I think he printed with our old machines.

36 posted on 01/12/2008 8:16:15 AM PST by mountainlyons (Hard core conservative)
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I sort of dismiss the CIA theory because of the likely consequences if such a plot were discovered.

I think it just has been. McClatchy has just blown it out of the water.

You can mark genuine currency.

Which really is what they're doing here. Creating genuine currency with a specific, deliberate, almost indetectable flaw. An extra stroke on the Independence Hall steeple. Missing ink splotches that are on bills circulated by the treasury.

What things of value would the CIA exchange for the purported counterfeit currency?

If you create a bill with a deliberately created alteration from the genuine $100, and then route them through a specific channel, say Syria for the sake of arguement. If those bills start showing up in North Korea and Venezuela and Iraq haven't you just traced lines of contact between those locations?

It is an absolutely brilliant scheme, if you stop and think about it. One almost impossible to detect by those you're tracking. And, unfortunately, one which probably has just been compromised.

37 posted on 01/12/2008 8:18:03 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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Wasn’t it just this summer that some Russian diplomats tried to pass some counterfeits here in the US?

I hadn't heard that. But if true, then don't you think it'd be nice to know where they're getting their money from? And what better way to do that than with bills that you can use to identify sources?

38 posted on 01/12/2008 8:20:11 AM PST by Non-Sequitur (Save Fredericksburg. Support CVBT.)
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To: A knight without armor

“I don’t see how it could tattle on you. What’s it going to do?”

Print the serial number of your printer on what you print. Or simply not print.


39 posted on 01/12/2008 8:20:26 AM PST by live+let_live
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“A more plausible explanation might be that every time the Bureau of Engraving created new plates a second set was made for the purposes of this program. Then they embedded an identifying flaw and kept on printing their notes for their own purposes.”

You are the closest to the truth, so far.
Who was it that Made a line trip to NK to cozy up to Lil Kim?


40 posted on 01/12/2008 8:24:08 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (Just saying what 'they' won't.)
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