Or sales taxes actually paid. Welfare.
This is probably the single most important point of the Fair Tax. It cojoins the tax suppression efforts of the traditional lobby interests with individual taxpayers. The only objective will be to seek the minimum rate. Imagine the universal uproar and the constituent pressures that legislators would feel with any increase in a base tax rate above the initial 23/30% (for all you incluseive/exclusive debaters) tax rate. Not to mention the immediate market effects.
I agree that the keystone to any tax plan requires a balanced budget ammendment. We should no longer allow our governemnt to spend more than we allow them to collect!
No tax code is designed or can be designed specifically to address spending. However The Fair Tax does reduce spending to some extent by abolishing the IRS and its $11 billion dollar price tag.
Well, I have considered these points (perhaps more accurately termed claims) and, as desperate as I am to enact significant federal tax reform, I am still not convinced. Overall, the problem I have with your response to my post is that it does not even recognize the revenue neutrality assumption embedded in the proposal and what that means for how the tax must operate in the real world. Your answers presume a feature of the fair tax that is ruled out from the beginning, that changes in consumption will be allowed to influence tax revenues.
While I focused on the need for any tax reform proposal to reduce spending you focused on the claim that it would reduce the IRS bureaucracy. But, according to the revenue neutrality pledge it doesnt matter how much bureaucracy is reduced in the IRS, the fair tax must still raise the same amount of revenue as before reform. So even if we spend less on the taxing bureaucracy, which I am not ready to admit will likely happen, it will not matter overall because the government will get the same amount of tax money as before which it will just spend on some other government programs which will be administered with another governmental bureaucracy. It is not the total number of people employed by the IRS that is the central problem, it is the total amount of money spent by the government.
Im not sure what you mean by No tax code is designed or can be designed specifically to address spending. They are inextricably linked. Governmental spending is necessarily limited by the tax revenues raised and taxing schemes are designed with that in mind. Right now federal revenues depend on peoples incomes. When incomes go down the federal tax revenues are decreased and governmental spending must either be cut or income tax rates must be raised to meet spending demands. With the fair tax revenue neutrality pledge, if individuals consume less to avoid the fair tax, the fair tax rates must be raised until revenue neutrality is reached. It wont matter that you quit buying some things to avoid the fair tax, rates on everything else you do buy will be raised to make up the difference. Without this happening there can be no revenue neutrality.
I appreciate your quote from James Madison, my favorite founder, but I believe his analysis of how a consumption tax would work was based on the assumption that people could determine with their consumption behavior how much tax they would pay. He says in Federalist 21: The amount to be contributed by each citizen will in a degree be at his own option, and can be regulated by an attention to his resources. The rich may be extravagant, the poor can be frugal and private oppression may always be avoided by a judicious selection of objects proper for such impositions. Under Madisons example, if the consumption tax was too high, people would not buy the goods and tax receipts would go down. Allowing tax revenues to go down in response to lowered consumption is a necessary component if a consumption tax is to work as you (and Madison) claim. But this simply cant happen under the fair tax because revenues by definition will not be allowed to decrease due to the revenue neutrality assumption.
Lastly, I also do not accept the argument that because the IRS is already extremely intrusive that we should accept an equally intrusive fair tax bureaucracy and no one will convince me that a government agency that hands out money every month to a large portion of the population will not be extremely intrusive. One signal advantage of the sales tax is that it is administered more or less automatically and without the need to identify individuals. The prebate part of the fair tax negates that benefit and opens the door for what is supposed to be essentially a sales tax to be administered as a welfare program with all the concomitant lobbying, need for personal identifying information and politically correct posturing by politicians.
If the fair tax prebate is truly not determined by income, spending or any other factor other than family size, as I understand you to claim, then it also has no connection to the amount of sales taxes that have been (or will be) paid. If there is no connection to actual taxes paid then the governmental payment is not a rebate at all, it is merely a transfer payment made by head count. I really do not see any advantage at all and many serious problems this with this prebate concept. In my view we have enough people getting transfer payments from the government right now and expanding this to a greater portion of the citizenry just further impairs our ability to maintain our system of republican self-governance.