Coast Guard forces vaccine derived from aborted child

WorldNetDaily ^ | 1/13/07 | WorldNetDaily

[wagglebee]

A U.S. Coast Guard officer and devout Catholic has filed suit to prevent being forced to receive a vaccination derived from the lung of an aborted child after a higher ranking officer disputed his understanding of Church theology.

The Alliance Defense Fund filed a complaint last week in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia on behalf of Lt. Cmdr. Joseph Healy, charging the government with using its own arbitrary judgment of what constitutes Catholic theology while permitting religious exemptions to others, effectively discriminating against Healy's sincerely held religious beliefs.

Healy's request for religious exemption cited a 2005 letter from the Vatican's Pontifical Academy for Life which condemned the use of cell lines from abortions in vaccines and supported Catholics' right to refuse them while not requiring them to reject the medicines.

In May, 2007, Capt. Brent Pennington rejected Healy's request, saying Catholic teaching "does not state that these immunizations are against the religious tenets of the Catholic Church."

[wagglebee]

"Those who lay their life on the line to defend our shores are entitled to the same religious freedoms as anyone else," said ADF attorney Matt Bowman, according to the Philadelphia Evening Bulletin. "Members of the U.S. military should never be forced to make an unconstitutional choice between honoring their country and honoring their faith."

Very well said.

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[Mr Ramsbotham]

What vaccine won't they force military members to receive?

[fetal heart beats by 21st day]

Who does Pennington think he is?

[MichiganWoodsman]

How is our Commander in Chief, President Bush, allowing our military to use vaccines that are derived from murdered babies. Then for him to allow the military to REQUIRE ITS ACCEPTANCE is disgusting! I’m not Catholic, but I couldn’t handle having that poor babies fluid pumped into my body.

[wagglebee]

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[em2vn]

Chief, Operational & Clinical Medicine Division CAPT Brent Pennington (202) 475 - 5170.
He’s a doctor not a chaplain. How does he arrive at a decision concering Catholic theology?

[SandRat]

Interesting story. Military regulations say that one may not refuse medical treatment or vaccinations. To do so will put one in the position of willfully violating a direct order from a senior commissioned officer and that is a Courts-Martial Offense. Even then, the individual can be forcefully restrained and the treatment/vaccination done. The individual’s refusal to comply with the order for treatment/vaccination, even though resultingly completed under restraint, is still a Courts-Martial Offense.

[Last Dakotan]

How does he arrive at a decision concerning Catholic theology?

I can read the musings of amateur non-Catholic theologians telling Catholics what to believe here on FR everyday.

[mjwise]

Was this vaccine derived from a spontaneous abortion (i.e. miscarriage) or an intentional one? Seems like a pretty serious distinction to me.

[Blood of Tyrants]

I’ll bet that if he were Muslim, the Navy would have bowed to his faith.

[wagglebee]

Was this vaccine derived from a spontaneous abortion (i.e. miscarriage) or an intentional one? Seems like a pretty serious distinction to me.

From the article:

All members of the Coast Guard must be vaccinated against a broad spectrum of diseases. The requirement for all active-duty personnel to be inoculated against Hepatitis A was instituted in May 2006. While a vaccine derived from animal sources is awaiting FDA approval, the immunization procedure currently available in the U.S. is based on lung cells taken from an elective abortion performed at 14 weeks approximately 40 years ago.

[AppyPappy]

You guys will believe anything. Did it ever occur to you to ask if the vaccine really did come from aborted babies?

[toothfairy86]

If the vaccine was derived from a pig, would they still require a Muslim or Orthodox Jewish soldier to receive it?

[dawn53]

The requirement for all active-duty personnel to be inoculated against Hepatitis A was instituted in May 2006. While a vaccine derived from animal sources is awaiting FDA approval, the immunization procedure currently available in the U.S. is based on lung cells taken from an elective abortion performed at 14 weeks approximately 40 years ago.

Am I reading this right? The abortion was 40 years ago?

[beelzepug]

Where would that abortion have even been legal forty years ago?

[exDemMom]

In response to many of the questions about this vaccine:

The cells used to derive the vaccine are lung cells derived from a male 14 week old fetus aborted intentionally in 1966 for “psychological” reasons of the “mother.”

The cell line is called “MRC-5.” One of the interesting results of a Google search of this cell line was that, in 2006 (I believe), several theologians met to discuss the morality of continuing to use these cells for the purpose of making vaccines. Their decision was that, since the baby was killed so long ago, and the existing cells are expected to remain useful for several more years, that it is ok to continue using them. However, when these cells run out, it would be highly unethical to kill another baby for more cells.

[Lauren BaRecall]

Rubella vaccinations used to be made from cell lines developed from chicken eggs. For some years now, cell lines developed from an aborted baby have been used. If I remember correctly the American baby was a boy, and the British baby (for GB manufactured vaccines) was a girl.

There have been complications from side effects from these vaccines that did not exist with the egg derived ones. Unfortunately, the egg type is no longer manufactured, so parents don’t have a choice for their children, for either moral or medical reasons.

[Lauren BaRecall]

I think you could take that to the bank!

[Lauren BaRecall]

I think that’s the same cell line that the rubella vaccines come from.

Isn’t that something! Way back in *1966* they didn’t waste any time putting that poor little boy to use.

There is no such thing as an age of innocence.

[ICE-FLYER]

The current Commander in Chief is largely unaware of most that goes on in military health. Yes, he is aware of things like the VA Fiasco and other such gross negligence but he was totally unaware of the Anthrax vaccine program he inherited from Clinton. That was started as a payback program for political favors done by former Joint Chiefs Chairman Admiral Crowe for supporting him when Clinton was known to be a draft dodger.

The vaccine IS bad, never studied in any peer-review manner (and still to this day has not) and the company, which Crowe owns a controlling interest in, got the only other letter of indemnification in US HISTORY for a vaccine PUSHED on the military AGAINST the DOD’s initial wishes.

This crap needs to end.

[fetal heart beats by 21st day]

“I’ll bet that if he were Muslim, the Navy would have bowed to his faith.”
And washed his feet, too.

[Turret Gunner A20]

I’m not Catholic, but I couldn’t handle having that poor babies fluid pumped into my body.

Ditto!

[informavoracious]

What about the psychological and spiritual damage to the sailor caused by the knowledge that the vaccine came from the cells of a murdered baby?

[Coleus]

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U.S. Vaccines Derived From Abortion

Disease	Vaccine Name	Manufacturer	Cell line (Fetal)
Chickenpox	Varivax	Merck & Company	WI-38 and MRC-5
Ebola - Under Development	Unknown	Crucell & N.I.H.	PER C6
Flu - Under Development	Unknown	Vaxin	PER C6
Flu - Under Development	Unknown	MedImmune	PER C6
Hepatitis A	Havrix  Vaqta	Glaxo SmithKline Merck & Company	MRC-5  MRC-5
Hepatitis A-B Combo	Twinrix	Glaxo/SmithKline	MRC-5
HIV - Under Development	MRK-AD5	Merck & Company	PER C6
Measles, Mumps, Rubella Mumps-Rubella Measles-Rubella Rubella only	MMR II Biavax II MR-VAX Meruvax II	Merck & Company	RA273 and WI-38
Polio	Poliovax	Aventis-Pasteur	MRC-5
Rabies	Imovax	Aventis-Pasteur	MRC-5
Sepsis	Xigris	Eli Lilley	HEK 293
Smallpox	Acambis 1000	Acambis	MRC-5

 For more information on Xigris, PER C6, 293 Cell Lines and AD5 Vectors 

US AND CANADA - ABORTED FETAL CELL LINE PRODUCTS AND ETHICAL ALTERNATIVES
Updated: January 08, 2008  

Disease	Product Name	Manufacturer	Fetal Cell Line	Ethical Version	Manufacturer	Cell Line
Chickenpox	Varivax, Varilrix	Merck, GSK	WI-38, MRC-5	None	N/A	N/A
Hepatitis A	Vaqta, Havrix Avaxim, Epaxal	Merck, GSK Sanofi, Berna	MRC-5 MRC-5	Aimmungen Not available in US	Kaketsuken (Japan & Europe)	Vero (monkey)
Hepatitis A & B Hepatitis A & Typhoid	Twinrix Vivaxim	GSK Sanofi	MRC-5 MRC-5	Engerix Hep-B Only Comvax Hep-B Only	GSK Merck	Yeast Yeast
Measles/Mumps/Rubella	MMR, Priorix	Merck, GSK	RA273, WI-38	None	N/A	N/A
Measles-Rubella	MR Vax Eolarix	Merck GSK.	RA273, WI-38 RA273, MRC-5	Attenuvax (Measles Only)	Merck	Chick embryo
Mumps-Rubella	Biavax II	Merck	RA273, WI-38	Mumpsvax (Mumps Only)	Merck	Chick embryo
Rubella	Meruvax II	Merck.	RA273, WI-38	Takahashi Not available in US	Kitasato Institute (Japan & Europe)	Rabbit
MMR + Chickenpox	ProQuad/MMR-V	Merck.	RA273, WI-38, MRC-5	None	N/A	N/A
Polio	Poliovax, DT Polio Adsorb.	Sanofi Pasteur	MRC-5	IPOL	Sanofi Pasteur	Vero (monkey)
Polio Combination (DTaP + polio+ HiB or Hep-B)	Pentacel, Infanrix Hexa, Quadracel	Sanofi Pasteur, GSK	MRC-5	Pediacel; Pediarix + HiB IPOL + any DTaP	Sanofi GSK	Vero (monkey)
Rabies	Imovax	Sanofi Pasteur	MRC-5	RabAvert	Chiron	Chick embryo
Rheumatoid Arthritis	Enbrel	Amgen	WI-26 VA4	Humira	Abbott Laboratories	Chinese Hamster Ovary
Sepsis	Xigris	Eli Lilly	HEK-293	Ask your doctor	N/A	N/A
Shingles	Zostavax	Merck.	WI-38, MRC-5	None	N/A	N/A
New: Smallpox	Acambis 1000	Acambis	MRC-5	ACAM2000, MVA3000	Acambis/Baxter	Vero, Chick Embryo
In Development Ebola	TBA	Crucell/NIH	PER C6	None	N/A	N/A
In Development Flu, Avian Flu	TBA	MedImmune Vaxin, Sanofi	PER C6, HEK-293	FluVirin, Flu Shield, Flumist, FluZone, FluBlok	Chiron, Medimmune, Sanofi ,Protein Science	Chick embryo Caterpillar
In Development: HIV	MRKAd5 HIV-1	Merck	PER C6	None	N/A	N/A

 

Note:  Immune-Globulin shots will provide temporary immunity (4-6 months) for Hepatitis-A and Rubella (3 months)

 NOTE:  ANY VACCINE NOT LISTED ABOVE DOES NOT USE ABORTED FETAL CELL LINES.

Physician Order Line:                                   

Merck (Measles, Mumps) 800-422-9675                       GSK: (Hepatitis-B) 866-475-8222       

Sanofi Pasteur: (Polio) 800-822-2463                             Chiron:(Rabies) 800 244-7668 (PST)                  Wyeth:  (Flu) 800 666-7248

  

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most vaccines contain a toxic metal, mercury under the name of thimerosal, mercury is not allowed in school labs anywhere in the USA and we wonder why children get seizures, add, ADHD, asthma and other diseases after immunizations.

U.S. Vaccine Alternatives
NOTE: No alternatives for Chickenpox, Rubella, Hepatitis-A, Ebola or HIV in U.S.

Disease	Vaccine Name	Manufacturer	Cell line
Polio	IPOL	Aventis-Pasteur	Monkey kidney cells
Mumps	Mumpsvax	Merck & Company	Chick embryo
Rabies	RabAvert	Chiron Therapeutics	Chick embryo
Measles	Attenuvax	Merck & Company	Chick Embryo
Smallpox	Acambis 2000	Acambis-Baxter	Vero (Monkey)
Smallpox	MVA	Acambis-Nordis Bav.	Chick Embryo
Flu	FluVirin FluShield FluZone	Chiron Wyeth Ayerest Aventis Pasteur	Chick embryo
Flu	FluBlok	Protein Sciences	Caterpillar cell line

Vaccine Alternatives Available In The United Kingdom 
NOT FDA APPROVED FOR USE IN THE UNITED STATES

Disease	Brand name	Company	Cell line
Rubella	Takahashi Strain	Kitasato Institute	Rabbit kidney
Hepatitis A	Aimmugen	Chemo-therapeutic Institute Japan (Kaketsuken)	Monkey kidney

We are currently working in conjunction with the Foreign Manufacturers
to obtain these vaccines in the United States.  

Additional Facts - Rubella

The Rubella vaccine, produced by Merck & Company was taken from an aborted baby during the 1964 rubella epidemic when some mothers were advised to have abortions, rather than risk their child being born with Congenital Rubella Syndrome.  It was from the 27th baby aborted and immediately dissected that the active rubella virus was finally found. It was commonly referred to as RA27/3, where R=Rubella, A=Abortus, 27=27th fetus, 3=third tissue culture explant.  The abortionist collaborated with the Wistar Institute to collect the aborted babies in order to isolate the virus.  The vaccine virus was then cultivated in the lung tissue of another aborted female baby, approximately 3 months gestation. (WI-38) (Attenuation of RA27/3 Rubella Virus in WI-38 Human Diploid Cells, Plotkin, Stanley, et. al., American Journal of Disease of Childhood, 118:178-185, 1969.) This abortion was performed because "the parents felt they had too many children." (G. Sven, S. Plotkin and K. McCarthy, Gamma Globulin Prophylaxis; Inactivated Rubella Virus; Production and Biological Control of Live Attenuated Rubella Virus Vaccines, American Journal of Diseases of Children, vol. 118, August 1969).The new vaccine was developed in Philadelphia, Pa. and tested on orphans. (American Journal Diseases of Children, Vol. 110, Oct. 1965) Considering that there was already two licensed rubella vaccines on the market and considering that they could have done exactly what the Japanese did in order to isolate the rubella virus (they swabbed the throat of an infected child), it is obvious this vaccine was created in order to justify fetal tissue research.   It is also important to note that Rubella is basically a harmless childhood disease that is only considered to have possible serious effects on the unborn child when a pregnant woman is exposed to the virus during her first trimester.  Should this occur, 20-25% of these cases will develop some form of Congenital Rubella Syndrome, which may cause malformations of the heart, eyes or brain, deafness, or liver, spleen and bone marrow problems.

Other Sources:    Christina Abel RN.
                              Merck & Company

Additional Facts - Hepatitis A

Havrix, the vaccine used to treat Hepatitis-A, uses a virus strain (HM175) propagated in MRC-5 human diploid (lung) cells which were taken from a male fetus aborted at 14 weeks gestation.  These cells are lysed to form a suspension which is purified through ultrafiltration and gel permeation chromatography. The method is referenced to a standard using an Enzyme Linked Immunosorbent Assay (E.L.I.S.A.) and is expressed in terms of units (E.L.U.)

Havrix contains a sterile suspension of inactivated virus strains.  The adult dosage consists of not less than 1440 E.L.U. viral antigen, 0.5mg of aluminum as aluminum hydroxide and 0.5% of 2-phenoxyethanol as a preservative.  Other excipients are amino acid supplement (0.3%) in a phosphate buffered saline solution, polysorbate 20 (0.05mg/ml), MRC-5 cell proteins not greater than 5mgg and traces of formalin, not greater than 0.1mg.

The Centers for Disease Control noted that the best way to control Hep-A is to practice good hygiene, as the disease is spread through contact with fecal matter. Also, the product inserts for both Havrix and Vaqta show that the vaccine itself is not without problems. Neither vaccine has been evaluated for its carcinogenic or mutagenic potential, or its potential to impair fertility. It is also not known whether the vaccine can cause fetal harm when administered to a pregnant woman.
**********************************
Source: Glaxo SmithKline, Merck Package Inserts; CDC

Additional Facts - Chickenpox

VARIVAX was developed with the use of aborted fetuses.  It uses both the human cell lines, named WI-38 (Wistar Institute) and MRC-5 (Medical Research Council). The vaccine contains residual components of  their DNA and protein. The cell lines were derived from the lung tissue of an aborted female at 3 months gestation and an aborted male at 14 weeks gestation.  The cells of these fetuses were then developed in a lab culture to produce several vaccines.

VARIVAX  also contains MSG (monosodium glutamate) in 2 forms, according to Jack Samuels, an expert on MSG. According to the FDA, MSG is not advised for infants, children, or pregnant women or children of childbearing age, and people with affective (mental/emotional) disorders.

According to VARIVAX product literature, the vaccine contains gelatin and trace amounts of neomycin, and should not be given to people allergic to them; it should not be given to anyone with an immune disorder, or anyone receiving drugs which affect the immune system such as chemotherapy or steroids; it should not be given to people with untreated tuberculosis or certain other infections. 

Dr. A. Lavin of the Department of Pediatrics, St. Luke’s Medical Center in Cleveland, Ohio, strongly opposed licensing VARIVAX, “Until we actually know...the risks involved in injecting mutated DNA [the vaccine] into the host genome [children].”

Studies show that up to 3% of VARIVAX recipients contract chicken pox from the vaccine, and that some chicken pox cases may be contracted from recently vaccinated children. Vaccine recipients may therefore pose a health risk to pregnant mothers or family members with chronic health problems or compromised immune systems.

Some studies suggest that chicken pox in a vaccinated child may be milder than in an unvaccinated child. However, some experts believe that this may be due to the vaccine suppressing the illness, which could actually signal a more serious underlying chronic condition. For example, “Atypical measles” is a disease that occurs only in people previously vaccinated for measles, and it is far more serious than regular measles. It is not yet known if “atypical chicken pox” cases will appear as a result of the use of VARIVAX.

The FDA VAERS' (Vaccine Adverse Events Reporting System) first year surveillance of VARIVAX included over 1,500 reports. 76 were serious adverse reactions that included 2 deaths. While a VAERS report does not prove a causal relationship between the vaccine and the death or disability that follows, the vaccine is highly suspect in all such reports.

The FDA has stated that fewer than 10% of serious adverse reactions and deaths following vaccines are reported; independent researchers cite lower rates. The federal government has paid families of vaccine killed and disabled children nearly $100 million in taxpayer dollars each year since 1986 through the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVCIP).

Source:  P.R.O.V.E. (Parents Requesting Open Vaccination Education)

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U.S. Vaccines Derived From Abortion

Disease	Vaccine Name	Manufacturer	Cell line
Polio	IPOL	Aventis-Pasteur	Monkey kidney cells
Mumps	Mumpsvax	Merck & Company	Chick embryo
Rabies	RabAvert	Chiron Therapeutics	Chick embryo
Measles	Attenuvax	Merck & Company	Chick Embryo
Smallpox	Acambis 2000	Acambis-Baxter	Vero (Monkey)
Smallpox	MVA	Acambis-Nordis Bav.	Chick Embryo
Flu	FluVirin FluShield FluZone	Chiron Wyeth Ayerest Aventis Pasteur	Chick embryo
Flu	FluBlok	Protein Sciences	Caterpillar cell line

Disease	Brand name	Company	Cell line
Rubella	Takahashi Strain	Kitasato Institute	Rabbit kidney
Hepatitis A	Aimmugen	Chemo-therapeutic Institute Japan (Kaketsuken)	Monkey kidney

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[GATOR NAVY]

Where would that abortion have even been legal forty years ago?

I remember being surprised reading in John Lott's "Freedomnomics" that at the time of Roe v Wade, abortion was legal in some (but not most) states. Another reason why the pro-death side's rants about "taking us to the back alley coat hangers" is BS.

[Scotswife]

Didn’t the Vatican release a statement regarding this issue a few years ago?

[Scotswife]

ok...here’s the Vatican statement I was looking for...

http://www.cogforlife.org/vaticanresponse.htm

[Aliska]

Oh my. I haven't received any vaccine for years, probably a tetanus shot 25 or so years ago. But my family. Grandkids, newest b Aug 2006, and family members travelling abroad I know had to have a Hep B, found out at the last minute. No one in the military for years.

I guess their medical records would be the only to tell the exact vaccine given.

I'll save the charts. I don't think you can enroll your kids in school without getting immunications. Furthermore, failing to get them could get you in trouble. No one would have refused to receive recommended ones.

I'll save the chart, but if you're already "polluted" with this stuff, there's no going back. I don't see how it could be a sin if you didn't know. As to receiving human tissue, that is done all the time with live donor blood transfusions, don't have a problem with that.

Surely others here will have to face the dilemma, too. This really upsets me. I hope it's just another false alarm scare thing.

[Coleus]

see post 27

[lastchance]

I believe New York was a state that allowed abortions if the mother’s life was in danger well before Roe v Wade.

[I got the rope]

Bttt

[porter_knorr]

Most states have exemptions - either religious or philosophical to not vaccinate your child.

All you have to do is look at the manufacturers website and look up the ingredients in the vaccinations - do a google search to see what else these ingredients are used in to know they are very very unhealthy. The quantity of vaccinations required for infants is insane.

[endovalve]

The thing is, with these cell lines (and I am speaking as a devoutly pro-life person here), the reason for using them is that they pose less of a cancer risk if some of the cells were to survive making the vaccine. All adult cell lines used are generally derived from some form of cancer, meaning that if they were injected intact into somebody, they could potentially start a new cancer. Most fetal cell lines used for vaccines don’t have that risk, as they will ‘senesce,’ or die, after about 50 doublings.

However, this risk of cancer transfer is absolutely minimal, as the chemicals used in a vaccine virtually guarantee that all cells used to replicate the virus/bacteria in the vaccine are dead. You are not actually contributing to the slaughter of any new babies by using these vaccines - the cell lines that we have at present are more than sufficient for the next 1000 years, unless every lab freezer in the world breaks down simultaneously. However, if the fact that your vaccine was derived from the output of an abortion bothers you, these vaccines can easily be made from morally unambiguous cell lines at an incredibly marginal increase in the risk of cancer (I’m talking about 1 in a billion to 1 in in a trillion risk here).

[8mmMauser]

Pinged from Terri Dailies

8mm

[GladesGuru]

How that case got into court in the first place amazes me. Given that religious freedom is a matter of first importance, any person claiming religious belief requiring them to not serve was exempted.

This can of worms is guaranteed to support a “swarm of officers”(lawyers), each and every one of which will “eat out our substance” in the process.

[GladesGuru]

“The individual’s refusal to comply with the order for treatment/vaccination, even though resultingly completed under restraint, is still a Courts-Martial Offense.”

If you are correct, and I suspect you are, would your line not support the position that the man should have resigned from the Service?

The Constitution is clear about freedom of religious expression, but I can’t find anything in it which allows one to pick and choose amongst military regs. Perhaps this case comes down to the man wanted to obey only some of the military regs and wants this choice sustained rather than simply resigning.

Pension and benefits may be the unspoken factor complicating this issue.

[GladesGuru]

“I couldn’t handle having that poor babies fluid pumped into my body.”

“that poor babies fluid” IS NOT being used - what is used is a tissue culture grown from cells from that baby.

That “poor baby” would have had to weigh more than a school of blue whales if “its fluids” had been used to make vaccines all these years.

What an issue about a bit of tissue!

[SwankyC]

Who does Pennington think he is?

OH dont you worry, he WILL get court martialed for refusing a direct order just like the soldiers that refused the Anthrax vaccine.

[keats5]

That’s right folks. Many of the vaccines kids need to attend school in the US are from a line from an aborted fetus.

I just found this out myself after reading this article yesterday and googling the words, “vaccine, abortion.” I’m a nurse, and I had no idea.

[Aliska]

I’m a nurse, and I had no idea.

Nor did I, and I'm not sure I would trust the drug companies to be up front about it if people start making waves, and can anticipate a backlash from those who would have no problem with it. I'm going to have to do some more thinking and reading about this one.

Thank you to the other posters who addressed me.

I'm having trouble understanding why our military operates by depriving some basic civil rights and freedoms of conscience once you are already in it that are [somewhat] still enjoyed by the rest of us. I don't think that is right any more than I think people in prisons should be deprived to the right of safety regarding their persons no matter how vile their crime(s). If the judge or jury didn't mandate that punishment, they ought to be protected. So should our military be protected from violating their religious or beliefs or intellectual decisions about certain things to which they are being subjected.

[beelzepug]

“New York...allowed abortions if the mother’s life was in danger well before Roe v Wade.”

Yes but I guess what I’m unsure of is whether that would be considered “elective” or not. To my mind, elective would be when it is an abortion of convenience, for want of a better word, such as a deformed fetus, Down Syndrome, choice of sex, not ready for a baby just yet, that sort of thing.

[SandRat]

Yes, he should have. The Courts-MArtial can take care of the rest to include pension and benefits IAW the UCMJ.

Military personnel in active service do not have the same freedom of 1st Amendment guarantees as the general populace and this has already been ruled on by SCOTUS back during the Vietnam War.

[Chili Girl]

I had read that vaccines were being made from aborted babies on a site a friend sent me: http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Evils%20in%20America/Abortion%20is%20Murder/aborted_fetus_vaccines.htm

I just did an internet search on "vaccine aborted fetus" and found almost 9500 hits.

And we wonder what is going on with all the diseases and disorders in our country - my my what a tangled web we wove.

[keats5]

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