Skip to comments.UK: Mosque's plan to broadcast call to prayer from loudspeaker 'will create Muslim ghetto'
Posted on 01/14/2008 6:55:39 AM PST by Stoat
Outrage: Proposals for a loudspeaker to call Muslims to prayer in central Oxford have been attacked by local residents
Local residents have attacked the idea saying it would disrupt the peace and turn the area into a 'Muslim ghetto'.
But the elders said they still intend to seek planning permission to install the loudspeaker.
If granted, they would broadcast a two-minute long call three times a day from the Central Mosque, where up to 700 people gather to worship every Friday.
The idea has gained support from the Bishop of Oxford, the Rt Rev John Pritchard, who last week said those in opposition to the idea should "relax" and "enjoy community diversity".
But residents, who packed out a council meeting last month to signal their outrage, remain set against the plan which they say is an "un-neighbourly intrusion".
They said they would rally to block the proposal when it is submitted to the council in nine months time, when construction on the mosque is complete.
Dr Allan Chapman, 61, who lives near the building, said: "The response against this has been incredible, we have been indundated with calls ranging from stiff upper lip outrage to sheer screaming fury.
"The universal message is what an utter cheek to inflict this on a non-Muslim area of Oxford. If this application goes forward then a large number of angry people are poised to form an opposition to it."
Dr Chapman added the broadcast is not to comparable to the ringing of church bells because: "They are just a signal. The Muslim call is a theological statement."
Residents have said the main objection is the loud amplification of the broadcast.
Elizabeth Mills, 56, said: "We don't have a problem with the Imam climbing to the top of the minaret and shouting.
"But we object to electronic amplification. The Bishop of Oxford might say it's ok but he doesn't have to listen to it."
Martin Stott, 53, a member of the Oxford Oratory, added: "This is not an anti-Muslim thing, it is more about community cohesion."
A spokesman for the Central Mosque said that sounding the call to prayer is a traditional part of the religion.
Sadar Rana, 68, said: "Building work will take another nine months to a year, it is then that we plan to make an application to the council.
"We want to fix a loudspeak to our minaret to broadcast our call to prayer. We would like to have it three times a day but if that is not accepted, then we would like to have it at least on Fridays.
"We do not need the volume to be loud but we want to have the call in some form because it's our tradition."
Get used to the broadcasts.
Next up, Shari'a Law coming to a neighborhood near you...
That’s what they do everywhere in the Middle East. It was only a matter of time. Eventually, as their numbers grow, expect more and more of these developments, eventually you can expect them to make “demands” once their numbers are large enough and they feel they have some power.
Memo to Oxfordians; You allowed them in. Now enjoy.
I am guessing that there are numerous muslim countries where even the notion of a Christian Church being built there, much less ringing it's bell, would result in anyone proposing the construction of the Church to be beaten, stoned, and then hung in the village square.
Uh, perhaps every church in the area could ring its bells at the same time. Loudly. And then, occasionally ring them at random times just to keep everyone on their toes. Sauce for the goose...
Yes, you're right. It's probably too late for England and for the whole of Europe as well. Let's hope that it's not too late for us.
What kind of religion has to yell at its members so they will pray?
What did they do before loud speakers? That had to be new at one time..in recent history.
I have been subjected to the listening of that crap and it drove me up the wall.
Hey, any of you folks knowledgeable about weapons care to opine on what it would take to silence these speakers from say 500-750 yards away?
Perhaps after replacing them a few times they may decide on a different way to notify their assemblage. Perhaps automated cell phone calls?
I'm pretty sure Mohammad never used a megaphone...
On a related note...there’s a Muslim hadith that says bells are an instrument of Satan. (If anyone wonders whether they’d be as tolerant, if the situation were reversed.)
Sadly, I believe that your excellent, worthwhile, highly effective and just generally-delightful idea would result in the Church being instantly shut down by local authorities as an "organization of racist hatred"
And some authorities may be quite enthusiastic in the notion of shutting down a Christian Church:
They say they won’t turn it up too loud.
I’m betting the volume gets louder and louder each day/week, until it’s as loud as the moslems want it to be in the first place.
Oh well. The UK is determined to be PC. I hope they enjoy it.
With the expansion of Islam in American communities, It’s only a matter of time before we hear of musilm complaints about pork BBQ smoke drifting through their neigborhoods from a smokehouse restaurant they’ve encroached upon.
People laugh when you say such things, but what they dont realize is that Lebanon was Christian up into the 60s and today is more or less under Sharia law. Look at what is happening in Sudan......... Thats exactly what will happen eventually. However, this reality is so far removed from the paradigm of most secular progressive liberal types that stating the obvious will only see a laugh, a shoulder shrug, and ill be blown off as some stupid radical comment.
The European lives mostly in a secular world. What he cant come to grip with when he preaches multiculturalism and an agnostic value system, is that to the Muslim, Islam is the sole means of societal organization. The European can be as inclusive, open minded, etc. as he wants, hes an infidel or at best a person of the book (Dimmih) according to most Muslims.
It is interesting how the pendulum swings. In Reston, VA, the melodious chords of three church bells made in Belgium have been silenced by the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors for a Catholic church. Whereas in Michigan, all in a small town listen to the Muslim call to prayer. I listened to the call to prayer five times a day in Saudi Ariabia. It was not a bad thing, but not something I would want to listen to here in the States. To me it was a strange religion in a strange land. But given the open border policies in the UK and the USA, given the waning interest in Christian religions, we can only expect more requests for the public broadcast for the Muslim call to prayer by people who practice their religion, who support large families, and by people increasing in numbers, political and economic power.
You might be onto something there. We could smoke them out.
They’ve all been rounded up and confiscated in the UK...everything but air rifles. My recommendation would be a .220 Swift.
Did they think the millions of Muslims they invited into their country wouldn’t want to practice Islam?
Same here, I call myself "neighbor of the beast" for living next door to a compound of fundamentalist Muslims.
I hope things are not that far gone in Piqua, birthplace of Buster Keaton!
Exactly our future when there's enough of them here.
I was in Turkey when I heard that stuff. Rednecks in Piqua would take care of that kind of noise, Post Haste!
Holler. It's like town criers and street vendors.
How about broadcasting 5 minutes of Billy Graham across Oxford 5 times a day? The BBC and the PC police in the UK would go nuts.
Exactly. If their religion meant so much to them, they’d do it without being reminded, or nagged, because they wouldn’t forget about it.
This is not the first story in recent days of brits showing some backbone. Wow. Their socialist masters must be absolutely outraged. Serfs aren’t allowed to even HAVE opinions, but to actually stand up and VOICE them. My Marx! What’s this world coming to?
Hmmm...WWMD? If this were a Christian church in a Muslim country, they’d just blow it up...probably on a Sunday morning during worship services to kill the greatest number of “infidels.” Wake up, UK.
Did the city of Detroit, or somewhere up yonder, go thru this same thing? If’n I remember correctly, the city and courts gave the Muzzies permission for this crap right here in the good ole US of A.
Take a look at the ballistics.
Those folks at the meeting have all been recorded by CCTV cams and the tapes will remain on file.....
Preemptive surrender from the C of E. That's probably their response to forcible rape as well.
Yup. And they have NO GUNS with which to defend themselves.
How about public beheadings, you religion-of-piecers.......that's part of your tradition also, isn't it?.
THANKS to FReeper Archy for the excellent LOSAT video links :-)
He very kindly provided them at this FR thread:
Anybody starts broadcasting the call to prayer within earshot of me they are going to get The Clash’s “Rocking the Casbah” back VERY VERY LOUD about 5 minutes later. Yes, I have the technology! I suggest Oxfordites act accordingly.
LOL, I have no idea what a “ballistic” is. Last I heard it was a missile of some kind
Dr Chapman added the broadcast is not to comparable to the ringing of church bells because: “They are just a signal. The Muslim call is a theological statement.”
the problem is that they have to defend church bells in England.
And his imam cries
'cause if there's one thing he surely needs
is another little fragile mind to mislead
In the ghetto "
Thank you, Thankyouvrymuch
4000 + fps.
In a more civilized era, this vile man would be dragged from the pulpit, stripped bare, and tarred and feathered.
No worries, that will all come in time. No need to rush them, they have the long-term view and will keep pushing for the next thousand years, if they are allowed to.
They are still fighting the Crusades...they never stopped.
My answer to Oxford Christians and other English Christians. Get to work to win Muslims to Jesus Christ by the Gospel of Christ. Go win their young people. Let them see by your personal witness for Christ that they are not living in a Muslim country.
Without being hateful, be aggressive about Christian evangelism. Why are you allowing Islam to so easily take over your country without a stalwart witness for our Saviour? If you do not believe that Islam intends to absolutely take over the UK, you are deluded.
When a goodly number of young Mohammeds at age 16 or 17 go home and announce, “Wonderful news, I have just accepted Jesus Christ as the Only Begotten Son of God and as my own personal Saviour from sin,” Islamic power will begin to wane. Without Christian courage to personally evangelize Muslims, their power will only increase.
Perhaps. But since this country was founded by revolutionaries who wouldn't be bullied, there are still lots of Americans who, when hearing of such complaints, will only have bigger BBQs and set up big electric fans to deliberately blow pork smoke in the direction of these uptight little robe-wearing crybabies.
And I'd be first in line to do so myself. I won't be pushed around by these pseudo-religious thugs. Let 'em take me to court. I'll fight 'em every time.
Me too, and it gave me the creeps. It was like the Devil himself was waking you up or putting you to bed.
We allow the same outrage on our country, though...
I had an interesting morning arriving at work several years ago. On a clear spring day I got out of my car. Moments later my ears were assailed with the most unearthly caterwauling, which I recognized as a Muslim call to prayer over a very powerful loudspeaker. After a few spine-chilling moments, I realized that it was our BattleSim facility down the road testing its systems, but it was enough to make my stomach turn and my hair stand on end whenever I hear it even today.
The truth is, it's only a matter of time before civil war erupts between the Muslims and the Brits. The Muslims are like a fast spreading cancer. They don't integrate into society and try to force their own beliefs on everyone else.
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