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UK: Mosque's plan to broadcast call to prayer from loudspeaker 'will create Muslim ghetto'
The Daily Mail (U.K.) ^ | January 14, 2008

Posted on 01/14/2008 6:55:39 AM PST by Stoat

Mosque's plan to broadcast call to prayer from loudspeaker 'will create Muslim ghetto'

Last updated at 10:14am on 14th January 2008

 

Muslim Prayer

Outrage: Proposals for a loudspeaker to call Muslims to prayer in central Oxford have been attacked by local residents

Muslim elders at an Oxford mosque have said they intend to push ahead with plans to broadcast a call to prayer from a loudspeaker despite fierce opposition.

 

Local residents have attacked the idea saying it would disrupt the peace and turn the area into a 'Muslim ghetto'.

But the elders said they still intend to seek planning permission to install the loudspeaker.

If granted, they would broadcast a two-minute long call three times a day from the Central Mosque, where up to 700 people gather to worship every Friday.

The idea has gained support from the Bishop of Oxford, the Rt Rev John Pritchard, who last week said those in opposition to the idea should "relax" and "enjoy community diversity".

But residents, who packed out a council meeting last month to signal their outrage, remain set against the plan which they say is an "un-neighbourly intrusion".

They said they would rally to block the proposal when it is submitted to the council in nine months time, when construction on the mosque is complete.

Dr Allan Chapman, 61, who lives near the building, said: "The response against this has been incredible, we have been indundated with calls ranging from stiff upper lip outrage to sheer screaming fury.

"The universal message is what an utter cheek to inflict this on a non-Muslim area of Oxford. If this application goes forward then a large number of angry people are poised to form an opposition to it."

Dr Chapman added the broadcast is not to comparable to the ringing of church bells because: "They are just a signal. The Muslim call is a theological statement."

Residents have said the main objection is the loud amplification of the broadcast.

Elizabeth Mills, 56, said: "We don't have a problem with the Imam climbing to the top of the minaret and shouting.

"But we object to electronic amplification. The Bishop of Oxford might say it's ok but he doesn't have to listen to it."

Martin Stott, 53, a member of the Oxford Oratory, added: "This is not an anti-Muslim thing, it is more about community cohesion."

 

A spokesman for the Central Mosque said that sounding the call to prayer is a traditional part of the religion.

Sadar Rana, 68, said: "Building work will take another nine months to a year, it is then that we plan to make an application to the council.

"We want to fix a loudspeak to our minaret to broadcast our call to prayer. We would like to have it three times a day but if that is not accepted, then we would like to have it at least on Fridays.

"We do not need the volume to be loud but we want to have the call in some form because it's our tradition."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: britain; england; ghetto; greatbritian; islam; islamicimperialism; moe; mosqueofengland; muslim; oxford; uk; unitedkingdom
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1 posted on 01/14/2008 6:55:41 AM PST by Stoat
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To: Stoat
Sorry, formerly-"great" Britain, but your dhimmi government is more concerned with showing these religious thugs how tolerant you are.

Get used to the broadcasts.

Next up, Shari'a Law coming to a neighborhood near you...

2 posted on 01/14/2008 6:59:45 AM PST by kromike
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To: Stoat
LOL

That’s what they do everywhere in the Middle East. It was only a matter of time. Eventually, as their numbers grow, expect more and more of these developments, eventually you can expect them to make “demands” once their numbers are large enough and they feel they have some power.

3 posted on 01/14/2008 6:59:47 AM PST by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: Stoat

Memo to Oxfordians; You allowed them in. Now enjoy.


4 posted on 01/14/2008 7:01:02 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: All
But residents, who packed out a council meeting last month to signal their outrage, remain set against the plan which they say is an "un-neighbourly intrusion".

I am guessing that there are numerous muslim countries where even the notion of a Christian Church being built there, much less ringing it's bell, would result in anyone proposing the construction of the Church to be beaten, stoned, and then hung in the village square.

5 posted on 01/14/2008 7:01:29 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

Uh, perhaps every church in the area could ring its bells at the same time. Loudly. And then, occasionally ring them at random times just to keep everyone on their toes. Sauce for the goose...


6 posted on 01/14/2008 7:03:26 AM PST by 3AngelaD (They screwed up their own countries so bad they had to leave, and now they're here screwing up ours)
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To: Red6
"Eventually, as their numbers grow, expect more and more of these developments, eventually you can expect them to make “demands” once their numbers are large enough and they feel they have some power."

Yes, you're right. It's probably too late for England and for the whole of Europe as well. Let's hope that it's not too late for us.

7 posted on 01/14/2008 7:03:58 AM PST by davisfh
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To: 3AngelaD

What kind of religion has to yell at its members so they will pray?


8 posted on 01/14/2008 7:04:47 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: Red6
It's the 21st century. Set up a dial-up on their phones...

What did they do before loud speakers? That had to be new at one time..in recent history.

9 posted on 01/14/2008 7:05:45 AM PST by Sacajaweau ("The Cracker" will be renamed "The Crapper")
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To: Stoat

I have been subjected to the listening of that crap and it drove me up the wall.


10 posted on 01/14/2008 7:05:49 AM PST by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: Stoat

Hey, any of you folks knowledgeable about weapons care to opine on what it would take to silence these speakers from say 500-750 yards away?

Perhaps after replacing them a few times they may decide on a different way to notify their assemblage. Perhaps automated cell phone calls?


11 posted on 01/14/2008 7:06:43 AM PST by aroundabout
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To: Stoat
A spokesman for the Central Mosque said that sounding the call to prayer is a traditional part of the religion.

I'm pretty sure Mohammad never used a megaphone...

12 posted on 01/14/2008 7:06:43 AM PST by Zeppelin (Keep on FReepin' on...)
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To: Stoat

On a related note...there’s a Muslim hadith that says bells are an instrument of Satan. (If anyone wonders whether they’d be as tolerant, if the situation were reversed.)


13 posted on 01/14/2008 7:07:48 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Pro-life.)
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To: 3AngelaD
Uh, perhaps every church in the area could ring its bells at the same time. Loudly. And then, occasionally ring them at random times just to keep everyone on their toes. Sauce for the goose...

Sadly, I believe that your excellent, worthwhile, highly effective and just generally-delightful idea would result in the Church being instantly shut down by local authorities as an "organization of racist hatred"

And some authorities may be quite enthusiastic in the notion of shutting down a Christian Church:

Revealed The hijab-wearing 17-year-old Muslim girl hired as a community police officer (U.K.)

14 posted on 01/14/2008 7:08:20 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: kromike

They say they won’t turn it up too loud.

I’m betting the volume gets louder and louder each day/week, until it’s as loud as the moslems want it to be in the first place.

Oh well. The UK is determined to be PC. I hope they enjoy it.


15 posted on 01/14/2008 7:08:28 AM PST by Judith Anne (I have no idea what to put here. Not a clue.)
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To: kromike

With the expansion of Islam in American communities, It’s only a matter of time before we hear of musilm complaints about pork BBQ smoke drifting through their neigborhoods from a smokehouse restaurant they’ve encroached upon.


16 posted on 01/14/2008 7:08:30 AM PST by Rb ver. 2.0 (Global warming is the new Marxism.)
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To: Sacajaweau
I believe they had people who would go up into the towers and call the faithful to prayer. Even that would be preferable to a loud speaker.
17 posted on 01/14/2008 7:08:53 AM PST by aroundabout
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To: kromike

People laugh when you say such things, but what they don’t realize is that Lebanon was Christian up into the 60s and today is more or less under Sharia law. Look at what is happening in Sudan......... That’s exactly what will happen eventually. However, this reality is so far removed from the “paradigm” of most secular progressive liberal types that stating the obvious will only see a laugh, a shoulder shrug, and ill be blown off as some stupid radical comment.

The European lives mostly in a secular world. What he can’t come to grip with when he preaches multiculturalism and an agnostic value system, is that to the Muslim, Islam is the sole means of societal organization. The European can be as inclusive, open minded, etc. as he wants, he’s an infidel or at best a person of the book (Dimmih) according to most Muslims.


18 posted on 01/14/2008 7:09:19 AM PST by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: Stoat

It is interesting how the pendulum swings. In Reston, VA, the melodious chords of three church bells made in Belgium have been silenced by the Fairfax County Board of Supervisors for a Catholic church. Whereas in Michigan, all in a small town listen to the Muslim call to prayer. I listened to the call to prayer five times a day in Saudi Ariabia. It was not a bad thing, but not something I would want to listen to here in the States. To me it was a strange religion in a strange land. But given the open border policies in the UK and the USA, given the waning interest in Christian religions, we can only expect more requests for the public broadcast for the Muslim call to prayer by people who practice their religion, who support large families, and by people increasing in numbers, political and economic power.


19 posted on 01/14/2008 7:09:34 AM PST by olezip
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To: Rb ver. 2.0

You might be onto something there. We could smoke them out.


20 posted on 01/14/2008 7:10:35 AM PST by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: aroundabout

They’ve all been rounded up and confiscated in the UK...everything but air rifles. My recommendation would be a .220 Swift.


21 posted on 01/14/2008 7:10:43 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: Stoat

Did they think the millions of Muslims they invited into their country wouldn’t want to practice Islam?


22 posted on 01/14/2008 7:11:39 AM PST by Jim Noble (Trails of trouble, roads of battle, paths of victory we shall walk.)
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To: Piquaboy
I have been subjected to the listening of that crap and it drove me up the wall.

Same here, I call myself "neighbor of the beast" for living next door to a compound of fundamentalist Muslims.
I hope things are not that far gone in Piqua, birthplace of Buster Keaton!

23 posted on 01/14/2008 7:12:20 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Pro-life.)
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To: Stoat; knighthawk; Alouette; indcons
Muslim elders at an Oxford mosque have said they intend to push ahead with plans to broadcast a call to prayer from a loudspeaker despite fierce opposition.

Exactly our future when there's enough of them here.

24 posted on 01/14/2008 7:13:30 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: 668 - Neighbor of the Beast

I was in Turkey when I heard that stuff. Rednecks in Piqua would take care of that kind of noise, Post Haste!


25 posted on 01/14/2008 7:14:13 AM PST by Piquaboy (22 year veteran of the Army, Air Force and Navy, Pray for all our military .)
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To: Sacajaweau
What did they do before loud speakers?

Holler. It's like town criers and street vendors.

26 posted on 01/14/2008 7:14:33 AM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (Pro-life.)
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To: metmom

How about broadcasting 5 minutes of Billy Graham across Oxford 5 times a day? The BBC and the PC police in the UK would go nuts.


27 posted on 01/14/2008 7:15:23 AM PST by PGR88
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To: AppyPappy

Exactly. If their religion meant so much to them, they’d do it without being reminded, or nagged, because they wouldn’t forget about it.


28 posted on 01/14/2008 7:18:17 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Stoat

This is not the first story in recent days of brits showing some backbone. Wow. Their socialist masters must be absolutely outraged. Serfs aren’t allowed to even HAVE opinions, but to actually stand up and VOICE them. My Marx! What’s this world coming to?


29 posted on 01/14/2008 7:19:08 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Eric in the Ozarks
A .22? As I said, I know nothing about fire arms but isn’t a 22 slug small? I would have thought something with more punch.
30 posted on 01/14/2008 7:22:15 AM PST by aroundabout
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To: Stoat

Hmmm...WWMD? If this were a Christian church in a Muslim country, they’d just blow it up...probably on a Sunday morning during worship services to kill the greatest number of “infidels.” Wake up, UK.


31 posted on 01/14/2008 7:23:26 AM PST by kittymyrib
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To: metmom

Did the city of Detroit, or somewhere up yonder, go thru this same thing? If’n I remember correctly, the city and courts gave the Muzzies permission for this crap right here in the good ole US of A.


32 posted on 01/14/2008 7:24:18 AM PST by biff
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To: aroundabout

Take a look at the ballistics.


33 posted on 01/14/2008 7:24:38 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: samtheman
Their socialist masters must be absolutely outraged

Those folks at the meeting have all been recorded by CCTV cams and the tapes will remain on file.....

 

34 posted on 01/14/2008 7:24:39 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat
"The idea has gained support from the Bishop of Oxford, the Rt Rev John Pritchard, who last week said those in opposition to the idea should "relax" and "enjoy community diversity".

Preemptive surrender from the C of E. That's probably their response to forcible rape as well.

35 posted on 01/14/2008 7:24:55 AM PST by Mrs. Don-o (Pity and Indignation.)
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To: Stoat

Yup. And they have NO GUNS with which to defend themselves.


36 posted on 01/14/2008 7:27:36 AM PST by samtheman
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To: Stoat
The Muslims want calls to prayer blasting throughout the community because "it's our tradition".

How about public beheadings, you religion-of-piecers.......that's part of your tradition also, isn't it?.

Leni

37 posted on 01/14/2008 7:29:19 AM PST by MinuteGal (Three Cheers for the FRed, White and Blue !!!)
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To: aroundabout; archy; All
I would have thought something with more punch.
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38 posted on 01/14/2008 7:32:55 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

Anybody starts broadcasting the call to prayer within earshot of me they are going to get The Clash’s “Rocking the Casbah” back VERY VERY LOUD about 5 minutes later. Yes, I have the technology! I suggest Oxfordites act accordingly.


39 posted on 01/14/2008 7:38:42 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

LOL, I have no idea what a “ballistic” is. Last I heard it was a missile of some kind


40 posted on 01/14/2008 7:42:11 AM PST by aroundabout
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To: Stoat

Dr Chapman added the broadcast is not to comparable to the ringing of church bells because: “They are just a signal. The Muslim call is a theological statement.”
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the problem is that they have to defend church bells in England.


41 posted on 01/14/2008 7:45:08 AM PST by ari-freedom (I want Fred to win but I really want Fred to want Fred to win.)
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To: Stoat
"As the snow flies
On a cold and gray Ol' Oxford mornin'
A poor little Muslim child is born
In the ghetto

And his imam cries
'cause if there's one thing he surely needs
is another little fragile mind to mislead
In the ghetto "

Thank you, Thankyouvrymuch


42 posted on 01/14/2008 7:52:50 AM PST by P.O.E.
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To: aroundabout

4000 + fps.


43 posted on 01/14/2008 7:54:37 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: Stoat
The idea has gained support from the Bishop of Oxford, the Rt Rev John Pritchard, who last week said those in opposition to the idea should "relax" and "enjoy community diversity".

In a more civilized era, this vile man would be dragged from the pulpit, stripped bare, and tarred and feathered.

44 posted on 01/14/2008 7:57:19 AM PST by montag813
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To: MinuteGal
How about public beheadings, you religion-of-piecers.......that's part of your tradition also, isn't it?.

No worries, that will all come in time.  No need to rush them, they have the long-term view and will keep pushing for the next thousand years, if they are allowed to.

They are still fighting the Crusades...they never stopped.

45 posted on 01/14/2008 8:04:16 AM PST by Stoat (Rice / Coulter 2012: Smart Ladies for a Strong America)
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To: Stoat

My answer to Oxford Christians and other English Christians. Get to work to win Muslims to Jesus Christ by the Gospel of Christ. Go win their young people. Let them see by your personal witness for Christ that they are not living in a Muslim country.

Without being hateful, be aggressive about Christian evangelism. Why are you allowing Islam to so easily take over your country without a stalwart witness for our Saviour? If you do not believe that Islam intends to absolutely take over the UK, you are deluded.

When a goodly number of young Mohammeds at age 16 or 17 go home and announce, “Wonderful news, I have just accepted Jesus Christ as the Only Begotten Son of God and as my own personal Saviour from sin,” Islamic power will begin to wane. Without Christian courage to personally evangelize Muslims, their power will only increase.


46 posted on 01/14/2008 8:09:00 AM PST by John Leland 1789
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
With the expansion of Islam in American communities, It’s only a matter of time before we hear of musilm complaints about pork BBQ smoke drifting through their neigborhoods from a smokehouse restaurant they’ve encroached upon.

Perhaps. But since this country was founded by revolutionaries who wouldn't be bullied, there are still lots of Americans who, when hearing of such complaints, will only have bigger BBQs and set up big electric fans to deliberately blow pork smoke in the direction of these uptight little robe-wearing crybabies.

And I'd be first in line to do so myself. I won't be pushed around by these pseudo-religious thugs. Let 'em take me to court. I'll fight 'em every time.

47 posted on 01/14/2008 8:09:34 AM PST by kromike
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To: Piquaboy
I have been subjected to the listening of that crap and it drove me up the wall.

Me too, and it gave me the creeps. It was like the Devil himself was waking you up or putting you to bed.

We allow the same outrage on our country, though...

Hamtramck vote a victory for those in favor of allowing mosques to broadcast Islamic call to prayer

48 posted on 01/14/2008 8:16:11 AM PST by Gritty (Islam isnít interested in winning the debate but in winning the clash of civilizations - Mark Steyn)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

I had an interesting morning arriving at work several years ago. On a clear spring day I got out of my car. Moments later my ears were assailed with the most unearthly caterwauling, which I recognized as a Muslim call to prayer over a very powerful loudspeaker. After a few spine-chilling moments, I realized that it was our BattleSim facility down the road testing its systems, but it was enough to make my stomach turn and my hair stand on end whenever I hear it even today.


49 posted on 01/14/2008 8:16:44 AM PST by ArmyTeach (always vigilant)
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To: Stoat
If they don't like it, they should surround the mosque during prayer with loudspeakers of their own with something very annoying...perhaps, the latest from Britney Spears?

The truth is, it's only a matter of time before civil war erupts between the Muslims and the Brits. The Muslims are like a fast spreading cancer. They don't integrate into society and try to force their own beliefs on everyone else.

50 posted on 01/14/2008 8:17:20 AM PST by New Girl
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