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jas3 claims to be a scientist, and yet refuses to debate Duesberg.

No credible scientist will debate Duesberg for the same reason that no credible Republican will debate David Duke.

Further, he has no interest in the truth IMHO.

Correction, I post only the truth. My only goal on this thread is to counter the Conspiracy Theory being peddled as science.

He tells lies, employs diversionary tactics, makes "facts" up out of thin air, engages in character assassination, and uses a scattershot approach designed to keep FReepers chasing their tales.

The Conspiracy Theorists on this thread are good at telling tall tales, but not at telling the difference between "tales" and "tails." Or at telling the difference between actual science and Conspiracy Theories such as AIDS being caused by drug use.

My advice is to first find out what Duesberg et al are saying, then learn about the science, and then make up your own mind.

My advice is to read the scientific literature and to talk to your family physician before considering as fact any statements that HIV/AIDS Conspiracy Theorists post here or anywhere else.

People like jas3 work overtime to make sure you never find out about the other side of the AIDS debate.

There is no debate. Debating whether HIV causes AIDS is like debating whether Vitamin C deficiency causes Scurvey.

If you are a conservative and you believe there is such thing as the truth, then you should be able to make up your own mind by finding out what these scientists yourselves.

I've no clue what that means.

Many conservatives have already done this respect to “human caused” global warming, and I submit it can be done with AIDS as well.

The difference between the two is that very few meteorologist or climate scientists believe that anthropogenic global warming is settled science, despite what some POLITICIANS may claim. If Duesberg thinks that he is correct, he just has to post his lab work on his website. If he's right, the scientific community will accept his papers. Unfortunately, he has published, and his work is so poor that he's destroyed his own career and marginalized his work on anueploidy.

jas3

PS I debated jas3 in a 500+ reply thread. When I finally learned to pin him down and limit him to one point at a time, instead of allowing him to engage in endless destractions via his scattershot approach, I began winning the debate hands down. Unfortunately, the mods pulled the thread because it turned into a flame war.

It wasn't really a debate at all, and there was nothing to pin down. Your Conspiracy Theory lost in the court of the scientific community, so you're trying to get the public to support it by posting long discredited theories. FACT: HIV causes AIDS, not drugs. End of story.