CA: Now from the Commissar of Energy... (Tom McClintock on Orwellian thermostats)

Citizens for the California Republic ^ | 01-15-2008 | Tom McClintock

[ElkGroveDan]

Didn’t McClintock endorse Thompson?

yes

[tubebender]

Sorry EGDan. I can’t hear you because your violin is out of tune...

[ChildOfThe60s]

Fortunately, I’m not a serious cook. :)

Yeah, I had to laugh. My daughter (single) had a gas range and pretty much just boiled water on it. Everything else in the microwave. I tease her, say that I failed as a father by not teaching her how to cook. She takes after her mother.

[calcowgirl]

I'd recommend at least TWO eyes and the business end of something that chambers .45ACP.

:-)

[The_Reader_David]

Actually, the dystopia the thermostat plan bring to mind isn't Orwell's 1984, but the Terry Giliam movie Brazil in which Air-Conditioning Repairman is a subversive (and somewhat swashbuckling) hero.

[ridesthemiles]

The environazis got legislation passed in Kalifornia that made the power companies sell their land holdings and hydroelectric production facilities. Now, the new owners, who have to pay down their new debt, can charge more for the power produced than ever charged before.

Too bad more consumers don’t realize this simple truth.

[ridesthemiles]

How much power does a self-cleaning oven use?

800 degrees for 3+ hours to “clean” your oven.
I don’t think they even sell a stove anymore that isn’t “self-cleaning”. I think mine has that feature, but I clean it the old fashioned way. Elbow grease.

[SierraWasp]

And if you listened this morning (which is hard to do with the signal fluctuations) they said that they're backin away from doin it just long enough to have a few public hearings, find a way to spring it on us without warning once again in the future.

You know... GovernMental IncreMentalism in EnvironMentalism!!!

[Politicalmom]

Please add me.

I love Tom. :)

[calcowgirl]

You’re on! :-)

[abigailsmybaby]

I live in the San Joaquin Valley. It gets hotter than Hades here in the summer. I think only the valley where Palm Springs is (Coachella?) and Death Valley get hotter.

[Politicalmom]

Thanks. :)

[Inyo-Mono]

BTTT!

[Inyo-Mono]

In Eastern California we have a 14,000 foot mountain range (the Sierra, highest mountains in U.S. outside Alaska) blocking ocean breezes, so it gets darn hot here - 105 is normal in July and in nearby Death Valley it hits well over 120 degrees each July.

[steve86]

All you have to do to get the A/C turned back on is to place a lamp that uses an old fashioned light bulb directly under the thermostat to warm it up some.

The trend in higher-end thermostats is to have the temperature sensor pointed inward, toward the middle of the wall. I have one like that and external heat sources have little, if any, impact on it. I'm going to guess that the green nazi thermostats will be recessed into the wall and heavily insulated from local user-induced heating. You would have to splice in a clandestine thermostat upstream from the 1984 one, while still supplying power and faux signal down the line. And hope they don't look too closely. The problem is that HVAC service people will be required to certify the installation on each visit. Best to just depart the state.

[steve86]

What about indoor propane heaters that you attach to a regular propane tank?

if you're talking about freestanding ventless propane heaters, those have been illegal in CA for a long time. I used to sell them; couldn't ship to the mothership state.

[Inyo-Mono]

They still have gas stoves?

Where I live in north Eastern Calif., there is no natural gas so we use propane gas stoves. Electricity is too expensive and doesn't cook like gas.

[Inyo-Mono]

They still have gas stoves?

Where I live in north Eastern Calif., there is no natural gas so we use propane gas stoves. Electricity is too expensive and doesn't cook like gas.

[calcowgirl]

How much power does a self-cleaning oven use?

Ya got me! ;-)

[relee]

So I guess pointing a small hair dryer, set on low, at the thermostat is out of the question.

... Best to just depart the state ...

No doubt!