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[Das Outsider]

In addendum, Part I:

Is incest to be considered an equal non-abomination if Levite civil law is to be wholly disregarded? What does the Gay Christian movement have to say about this?

[Das Outsider]

In addendum, Part I, retread:

Is incest to be considered an equal non-abomination if Levite civil law is to be wholly disregarded? What does the Gay Christian movement have to say about this?

Just one last passing comment on the OT and homosexuality: Why is it that God made Adam and Eve, male and female, so that a man would cleave unto his wife and leave his family if he could just shack up with his "partner" in North Beach, SF? One could cite "loving relationships," but isn't the Torah loaded with examples of genuine loving--whether they be romantic or platonic--relationships? Do I need to list them?

According to the so-called Gay Christian movement, King David might have been queer.

[dufekin]

An abortion is not an excommunicable offense for the mother if it occurs naturally; miscarriages and stillborns occasionally occur despite following available medical advice or because of unforeseen injury or criminal violence against the mother.

[Das Outsider]

Part II—of what will probably become a 20-plus posting series—resumes tomorrow. Have a blessed evening.

[Jo Nuvark]

OK DO KEY... I’m comin’ in!

OLD TESTAMENT
“The penalty for homosexual acts is death to both
parties. They have committed a detestable act and
are guilty of a capital offense.”
(Leviticus 20:13)

NEW TESTAMENT
“Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit
the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither
the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers
nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders.”
(ICorinthians 6:9)

JO TESTAMENT
I have gay Christian friends who live normal hetero
lives. Though tempted, they choose not to “practice”
homosexuality. They live out a Godly life relying on
God (what a concept) to help them resist the temptation
to act out.

We are all flesh and Spirit and we all have weaknesses.
Though, not all of us have the weakness oF homosexuality.
Some have the weakness of murder, or drugs, or anger,
or gossip. For all of these things we must practice
self control through the power of the Holy Spirit.
My next point is touchy.

Of the men I know who admitedly struggle with
homosexuality, not surprisingly, many were as
young as four years old when they were molested
by a relative, neighbor, friend or camp counselor.
At the time of the attack, their bodies responded
to sexual stimulation in the way God intended. Being
too young to understand this is normal, they made
this tragic assumption ...

IF ... I was aroused,

THEN ... I must be attracted to men.

THAT ... is a lie from the pit of hell.

[Jo Nuvark]

It is my humble opinion that homosexuals
are created by other homosexuals.

[MHGinTN]

Dittos, m’Lady.

[Gondring]

Don’t know why I was pinged.

But since you pinged me, I will just point out that your posted English translation failed to address the points brought up by Mrs. Don-o. For example, do you have evidence that “MALOKOIS” AND “ARSENOKOITAI” apply beyond the pagan-temple prostitutes?

[padre35]

That was simply pathetic on the malformed writer’s part Mrs. Don-o.

Malakis (Similar to Malkois)for example is still used in modern Greek and it means exactly what it meant “back then”. As well as the writer disqualifies themselves by saying “Well I’m no expert on the Greek Language...but”

Thirdly, the entire webpage is choc a bloc filled with false premises and errant “logic”, the writer would have one believe that the problem wasn’t engaging in such acts, but accepting money for engaging in such behavour...

For all of the issues with Sola, errors such as these do not pass the smell test. It is the work of those who wish to have Faith in Christ and still run ruin with a seared conscience, one that is branded shut..

[wagglebee]

Not to pick on Baptists per se, 'cuz there are many good Christians and fine American patriots who are Baptist.

I think a lot of us immediately think of the Southern Baptists and while, as a Catholic, I disagree with the Southern Baptists on some theological issues, I am in full agreement with them on moral issues (as I've discussed with other FReepers, I consider Chuck Colson and Albert Mohler to be two of the finest Christian leaders, regardless of denomination, in America).

However, once you get away from the Southern Baptists, there are a lot of other ministers and churches which call themselves Baptist, but they are nothing more than leftist Kumbaya singers. My guess is that this "pastor" is from one of these churches. They are in a lot of big liberal cities and if you ever want a good laugh, you should take a look at their websites sometime (a bunch of pro-homosexual, feminazi, "if it makes you feel good do it" garbage).

[wagglebee]

Here’s more on this “minister”:
http://www.rcrc.org/about/president.cfm

[Jo Nuvark]

On shorter threads, If I’m making a broader comment,
I try to ping all of the posters in the conversation.

[Jo Nuvark]

“MAMA” - Written by Jo Nuvark - November ‘92

God knew us before we were in our Mother’s womb.
(Psalm 47:4 and 139)

Mama... Mama, don’t blame me for your blues.
I may be inconvenient, but it’s much too late to choose.
Listen with your heart, you’ll hear my still small voice.
Let me live I’ll be your life, your child not your choice.

Mama... Mama, give me time to work my charms.
When you see my face, you’ll know the place for me is in your arms.
I’m not lonely just alone and looking forward to
The way you’ll hold me Mama just like God is holding you.

Like a summer breeze and the morning dove,
We were chosen for each other by the Lord of love.
Agreeing with each breath and sigh in unison,
We’re two hearts beating rhythm as a single drum.

Mama... Mama, I’m yours by God’s design.
Your custom composition, a clipping from His vine.
Eternally He’s known our names for such a time as this.
Fashioned for each other’s needs to cherish, love and bless.

Mama... Mama, if it’s hard to understand,
Just look at this from heaven, then you’ll see God’s plan.
Let my smile dance with yours. Let our songs be one voice.
Mama; Oh Mama, make me your choice.

[Jo Nuvark]

[... do you have evidence that “MALOKOIS” AND “ARSENOKOITAI” apply beyond the pagan-temple prostitutes? ...]

If this is a justification for Christians to indulge
homosexual deviancy, then you may as well apply it to
all sexual perversions, including beastiality.

I must ask if there is any consideration that sex of
any kind outside of marriage is fornication?

I must also ask if there is any consideration that sex
of any kind with a partner other than your spouse is
adultery?

Thus... whatever ones sexual practices, whether
justified Scripturally or not, there still remains the
sin of adultery and fornication to consider.

[Past Your Eyes]

I just sent that off to the director of our local CNPC.

[Das Outsider]

Wow, Jo! Calling in the cavalry, I take it?

I'll scrap the formalities and get back to the passage in Romans, chapter 1, perhaps with surrounding verses for a better sense of context.

[wagglebee]

Did you notice the words Jesus, God, or Christ do not appear anywhere on that page?

I didn't notice that specifically. What I did get was that he represented something that I don't ever want to be associated with.

Wonder what "god" this guy is actually a minister of...

Moloch, after all his "religion" is promoting the murder of over 3300 infants per day in the United States.