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Airliner crash lands at Heathrow
BBC ^ | 17/01/2007

Posted on 01/17/2008 6:17:58 AM PST by UKTory

An international passenger plane has crash landed short of the runway at Heathrow Airport.

Passengers escaped down the emergency chutes after British Airways flight BA38 from Beijing came down.

Six ambulances were sent to the scene and three people were treated at the scene for minor injuries.

The incident happened as Prime Minister Gordon Brown was due to leave Heathrow for China and India. His flight was delayed because of the incident.

The south runway is closed while investigators examine the scene - the north runway remains open.

Eyewitness John Rowland said: "The plane's wheels collapsed, doors were flown open.

"On its approach it took the runway too low, just missing the roof of my cab.

"It crashed into the runway, debris was flying everywhere, there was an enormous bang and it skidded sideways."

Another eyewitness, Nick Gray, told BBC News: "We were taxiing along ready to take off and certainly out of the window I could see a plane coming in to land.

"I'm not quite sure if the under carriage was missing or not, but certainly what we saw was the plane coming down.

"There were some sparks as the undercarriage or the bottom of the plane actually touched the runway - certainly a huge amount of smoke coming up from that.

"And then the plane did come to a halt reasonably quickly.

"It was incredibly efficient the speed that people got off the aircraft.

"I could see that the shoots were deployed very quickly and people were coming down on that.

"Then people were sent off to the nearby buildings which are probably only about 200 yards away from the plane.

"There about six fire engines there now.

"There seems to have been regular dousing of foam on the port engine which obviously probably was the hottest one where the plane landed.

"Certainly there is a lot of activity and lots of vehicles with flashing lights all around the plane."


TOPICS: Front Page News; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: aerospace; aviation; ba; lhr; planecrash; unitedkingdom
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To: SlowBoat407
Countdown to amateur speculation on the cause in 10...

..1...0. I'm betting on loss of power on short final. Nothing to do but keep the wings level and land where you land.

21 posted on 01/17/2008 6:41:39 AM PST by poindexter
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To: UKTory
Says the flight had all appeared to go normally, the landing gear had come down, was on approach to runway and then seemed to ‘just drop’.

Which could mean just about anything.

22 posted on 01/17/2008 6:41:51 AM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb; SlowBoat407
> Countdown to amateur speculation on the cause in 10...

Too late.

Well, DUH!

It was obviously Global WarmingTM

23 posted on 01/17/2008 6:43:15 AM PST by TChris ("if somebody agrees with me 70% of the time, rather than 100%, that doesn’t make him my enemy." -RR)
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To: r9etb

Wind shear on final approach?


24 posted on 01/17/2008 6:43:16 AM PST by Milwaukee_Guy (Don't hit them between the eyes. Hit them right -in- the eyes!)
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To: UKTory

Sky News live video at the scene ...

http://news.sky.com/skynews/livenewsevents


25 posted on 01/17/2008 6:44:41 AM PST by Milwaukee_Guy (Don't hit them between the eyes. Hit them right -in- the eyes!)
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To: UKTory
To low on approach it would appear. The Captain & co-pilot are probably dusting off their resumes ... going to be flying general cargo for some obscure airline next.
26 posted on 01/17/2008 6:44:41 AM PST by BluH2o
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To: UKTory

Most likely an engine failure on final, may have been a bird may have been fan blade failure, it was a long non stop flight. Good to see it was a successful landing.


27 posted on 01/17/2008 6:45:07 AM PST by Eye of Unk
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To: Milwaukee_Guy

“Wind shear on final approach?”

I’m about 100 miles from Heathrow but it’s certainly bloody windy here today. Sudden gust nearly blew me into the road when I was out earlier.

Based on that scientific research, I rank your suggestion third in most likely causes behind (2) a passenger using their mobile phone and (1) the co-pilot saying “what does this button do?”.


28 posted on 01/17/2008 6:47:16 AM PST by UKTory
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To: SlowBoat407

Clearly Bush’s fault.


29 posted on 01/17/2008 6:47:59 AM PST by An Old Marine (Freedom isn't Free)
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To: UKTory
Sky News reporter said the damaged plane will take “days” to remove. He said a barrier will be constructed while the plane is made ready to move, so as not to distress people on other flights.

I wonder if the wreck will keep the runway closed at a very busy airport?

What a pain ....

30 posted on 01/17/2008 6:49:33 AM PST by Milwaukee_Guy (Don't hit them between the eyes. Hit them right -in- the eyes!)
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To: UKTory
I'll add my guess:

- it probably wasn't an engine or power failure; it was probably pilot error; dipping below Decision Height (DH) on a precision approach, or below the Minimum Descent Altitude on a non-precision approach.

31 posted on 01/17/2008 6:49:57 AM PST by SkyPilot
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To: An Old Marine

“Clearly Bush’s fault.”

I can see some trees in the background behind the aircraft, but it is unknown at this stage whether any bushes were involved ;)


32 posted on 01/17/2008 6:50:04 AM PST by UKTory
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To: SkyPilot
I'll go pilot error all the way.

Looks like a perfectly executed landing on the grass.

Here a good video of the carnage that shows the tire tracks

33 posted on 01/17/2008 6:54:27 AM PST by UNGN (I've been here since '98 but had nothing to say until now)
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To: UKTory
Good One
34 posted on 01/17/2008 6:58:04 AM PST by An Old Marine (Freedom isn't Free)
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To: UKTory

Don’t touch that button!


35 posted on 01/17/2008 6:59:10 AM PST by Milwaukee_Guy (Don't hit them between the eyes. Hit them right -in- the eyes!)
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To: SkyPilot

Looks like he touched down a good 1500’ or more short of the start of the pavement, and just barely missed that perimeter road. Apparently some eyewitnesses were saying that the plane was banking steeply on final and the engine power sounded higher than normal (but we all know how reliable eyewitnesses aren’t).

Plane is a Boeing 777-236ER, registration G-YMMM. 136 passengers on board. If they can’t fix it and have to scrap it, this would be the first hull-loss accident ever for the B777.

}:-)4


36 posted on 01/17/2008 6:59:27 AM PST by Moose4 (Wasting away again in Michaelnifongville.)
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To: Moose4
I think Boeing can fix that plane, as it appears most of the fuselage stayed intact. After all, Boeing many years ago managed to completely repair a Japan Airlines 747-200B that slid off the runway at Anchorage International Airport and suffered a HUGE amount of damage.

They'll probably have to rebuild parts of the lower fuselage and replace both wings, though.

37 posted on 01/17/2008 7:05:58 AM PST by RayChuang88
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To: UNGN

“I’ll go pilot error all the way. Looks like a perfectly executed landing on the grass.”

Great link! It clearly shows that the plane -barely- missed auto traffic on a perimeter road and made a nice landing on the turf, lost all of it’s landing gear and skidded right up to a paved ramp.

This could have gone very, very badly!


38 posted on 01/17/2008 7:06:51 AM PST by Milwaukee_Guy (Don't hit them between the eyes. Hit them right -in- the eyes!)
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To: TChris

Bush’s fault!


39 posted on 01/17/2008 7:08:45 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: UKTory
Passenger and eyewitness accounts,

- Plane seemed to “drop like a stone”.

- Plane was 90 degrees toward runway on final appoach. (?)

- Made a severe left hand turn to line up with runway.

- Lots of engine noise.

- Vertical yawing and corrections on final.

40 posted on 01/17/2008 7:11:49 AM PST by Milwaukee_Guy (Don't hit them between the eyes. Hit them right -in- the eyes!)
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