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Time Warner Cable Tests Data-Usage Rate Structure
FoxNews.com ^ | January 17, 2008 | AP

Posted on 01/17/2008 3:58:27 PM PST by ShadowDancer

Time Warner Cable Tests Data-Usage Rate Structure

Thursday, January 17, 2008

NEW YORK — Time Warner Cable will experiment with a new pricing structure for high-speed Internet access later this year, charging customers based on how much data they download, a company spokesman said Wednesday.

The company, the second-largest cable provider in the United States, will start a trial in Beaumont, Texas, in which it will sell new Internet customers tiered levels of service based on how much data they download per month, rather than the usual fixed-price packages with unlimited downloads.

Company spokesman Alex Dudley said the trial was aimed at improving the network performance by making it more costly for heavy users of large downloads.

Dudley said that a small group of super-heavy users of downloads, around 5 percent of the customer base, can account for up to 50 percent of network capacity.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alacarte; cable; timewarner
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To: ShadowDancer
I pay about $59 total myself for FIOS, but I only get:
21 posted on 01/17/2008 4:42:20 PM PST by ThePythonicCow (The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: ShadowDancer

Time Warner is trying to make up revenue, lost when people get a chance to rid themselves of the TW monopoly.

Verizon laid fiber optic lines, and almost everybody in my neighborhood is switching from TW cable, to FIOS.

And it is NOT mainly about technology. It IS mainly because Time Warner (remember AOL Time Warner) is such a lousy company to deal with.

It is a classic example of what goes around, comes around.

My internet is more reliable than TW, but the same speed. My phone is unchanged, but the TV is way better.


22 posted on 01/17/2008 4:45:08 PM PST by truth_seeker
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To: BreezyDog
I don't have cat 5 (100 mbit Ethernet cable) running through my modest apartment either. I have:
23 posted on 01/17/2008 4:48:59 PM PST by ThePythonicCow (The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: Smogger
I wouldn't mind metered rates if they were priced fairly.

But when they use them to shed load off their overloaded network and punish high volume users, that doesn't sell so well, especially to high volume users ;).

Even worse, though, is what Comcast was doing to me in California. If I started uploading over my so called 2 mbit down, 256 kbit up line at any rate faster than about 60 kbits, within ** twenty (20) ** seconds they would cut my upload rate available from the so called 256 kbit down to about 30 kbits (worse than an old modem;). A few minutes after the upload ceased, I would get my nominal upload rate back.

When Comcast started doing that to me, I was in the delightful position of using two, simultaneous, internet providers, with Comcast over the cable coax, and Speakeasy DSL over my twisted pair phone line. So I had the great pleasure of calling up Comcast and telling them to shove it, forthwith. I canceled my Comcast internet on the spot, running off just the DSL line until a bit later, when I moved to Texas and FIOS.

24 posted on 01/17/2008 4:58:05 PM PST by ThePythonicCow (The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: ShadowDancer

You don’t like Santa?


25 posted on 01/17/2008 4:59:44 PM PST by null and void (Conservatives are tired of being sucked up to every 4 years and stabbed in the back for the next 3.)
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To: null and void

Santa has the good sense to dress properly.


26 posted on 01/17/2008 5:02:03 PM PST by ThePythonicCow (The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: ShadowDancer

Metered rates? Ha.

Using their logic, I should be paying according the the percentage of my [purchased] rated bandwidth I am receiving.

I’m paying my cable net provider (not TW) for 6 megs down. I should be able to get 85% of that. For two months my throughput has dropped to .75-1.5 megs EVERY night from approximately 7: to 10:45. Right at quarter to 11 it jumps right back up to 5.3 megs. And they just can’t figure it out (major sarcasm).

Thus TW should charge a customer based on their real throughput, not on their “rated” throughput, if one were to make a logical extension of their reasoning.

In reality, logic has nothing to do with it. They will get what the market will bear, if there is competition, or what their monopoly permits if they have greased the right palms.


27 posted on 01/17/2008 5:17:23 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: ThePythonicCow
Thats cool. Plenty of bandwidth for you. I don't have bandwidth issues either with Comcast. 6 or 7 Mbps down 2 up. 5 computers (4 on Linksys/Cisco wireless N network) I max out at 270 Mbps on the wireless LAN. 1000 Mbps at the hardwired hub. In addition on the wireless network I have PS3, XBOX 360 and a Wii.

I could have that all fired up at once still download enough porn in 60 seconds to make you go blind...Ain't technology fun?

Coax copper does have bandwidth limitations especially if distance is involved.

28 posted on 01/17/2008 5:23:54 PM PST by BreezyDog
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To: ChildOfThe60s

The reason your bandwidth drops in the evening is because thats when EVERYONE gets home from work or school and fires up the computers. Your neighborhood cable network is shared bandwidth. When everyone jumps on you have less. If you had a dedicated T1 it would be all yours all the time. But thats only 1.54 Mbps up and down.


29 posted on 01/17/2008 5:28:16 PM PST by BreezyDog
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To: BreezyDog
Would that be one of the Linksys Wireless-N Gigabit Routers, such as WRT310N, WRT320N or WRT600N? They do look nice.
30 posted on 01/17/2008 5:33:46 PM PST by ThePythonicCow (The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: BreezyDog; ChildOfThe60s
When bandwidth drops like clockwork, in a big staircase like drop, and goes back up similarly, then that doesn't seem like simple contention for a shared network. I'd expect simple contention to be more erratic.

What ChildOfThe60s reports sounds more like an intentional throttling, presumably done in an effort to avoid the more painful affects of excess contention for limited resources, such as crashing switches and extreme delays for even low bandwidth traffic.

31 posted on 01/17/2008 5:37:50 PM PST by ThePythonicCow (The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: ThePythonicCow; BreezyDog

It’s not a simple case of higher use on a shared node. For one thing I never had this until 2 months ago. The first thing I accused them of was overselling bandwidth, thus being unable to provide what I was paying them for. I was assured that there was no reason for that to happen, that there was more than enough to go around at peak hours.

Besides, it’s way too precise every single evening.

Another reason I say that is the provider has a speed test on their own server. I live in a town with 15,000 people and a 2.5 mile radius. Regardless of with the internet in general is doing at a given time, I should be able to pull most of my throughput anytime when I am a couple of miles from the server.

My ISP shares some lines with the city government, which is the major cable TV provider and much of the cable internet here. Yeah, the gummmerment.

Interestingly, my ISP says they have higher speed lines and capacity than the city, so logically the problem is somewhere on city hardware. They also are telling me that they can’t get the city to return their calls. Think government run health care folks.

My next step is to tell my ISP that I am going to pay for 1.5 meg service since that is what I am getting.

Unfortunately, my only other option is ATT DSL.


32 posted on 01/17/2008 5:50:17 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s........you weren't really there)
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To: ThePythonicCow

Actually the WRT350N. It has a storage link.


33 posted on 01/17/2008 6:58:05 PM PST by BreezyDog
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To: ThePythonicCow
I just did a bandwidth speed test HERE and got 3 megs to a DC server, 15 to an Atlanta server and 6 to an LA server...Another test can be taken HERE... I got 9 Mbps on this one.
34 posted on 01/17/2008 7:17:45 PM PST by BreezyDog
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To: ThePythonicCow

I understand your logic, but Time Warner isn’t talking about lowering the price for people who download less, just raising it for people who download more. It’s just another scam. BTW, I switched off of Roadrunner to AT&T (will change again if they follow through with the data inspection deal, cut my bill in half and speeded up my internet.


35 posted on 01/17/2008 9:24:15 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Richard Kimball
Yeah - we're pretty much agreeing - they are over charging, and using this as an excuse to charge yet more.

The quasi-monopoly that ISP's have in this country, as opposed to other industrialized nations, allows for more such abuse, higher charges and lower service.

36 posted on 01/17/2008 9:28:00 PM PST by ThePythonicCow (The Greens and Reds steal in fear of freedom and capitalism; Fear arising from a lack of Faith.)
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To: BreezyDog

Last Result:
Download Speed: 15595 kbps (1949.4 KB/sec transfer rate)
Upload Speed: 1245 kbps (155.6 KB/sec transfer rate)


37 posted on 01/18/2008 7:42:57 AM PST by Smogger (It's the WOT Stupid)
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To: ShadowDancer; AT7Saluki
...charging customers based on how much data they download...

What's next? Charging per show watched? Hey, those rabbit ears will soon come in handy! (And they don't effect global warming!)

38 posted on 01/18/2008 4:12:18 PM PST by Libloather (Do animals pollute the planet by exhaling, too?)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
With FIOS coming to a lot of places around the country? Good luck with that, TW.

Yeah, sure, whatever - the majority of the country will not see FIOS anytime soon, and so TW is going to maximize their profits while they can (the joys of a government-sanctioned monopoly).

I love how they blame the top 5% of users, and yet the pricing structure is geared to hurt everybody.

Make no mistake folks, this isn't about the top 5% of users, this is about having little to no competition in many areas, and this is about going after maximum profits just as bandwidth heavy applications are coming into their own (iTunes HD, etc.).

I also believe that if TW makes enough money off this, that AT&T will follow suit.
39 posted on 01/18/2008 4:35:08 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: ThePythonicCow
The quasi-monopoly that ISP's have in this country, as opposed to other industrialized nations, allows for more such abuse, higher charges and lower service.

Exactly. I've been to several other countries where they had a much better setup than we have, for a lot cheaper overall (even when you factor in taxes that pay for the government's part).

The fact is, the cable companies and telecoms have a huge lobbying group with a lot of cash, and so they keep their stranglehold going.
40 posted on 01/18/2008 4:37:36 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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