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1 posted on 01/19/2008 1:19:20 PM PST by WesternCulture
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Below, some clips feauturing interesting Swedish military technology.

Gotland, the stealth sub:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khaa3y0i87s

—— Reporter: “- As an adversary, how good are you at what you do?”

Swede: “- Very, very good.” ——

Personally, I’m not in doubt.

Visby, the stealth corvette:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHJFqwmFnkI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWuLzpufxcM

The JAS “most bang for the buck” Gripen:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBQttI1s5eA

The American-British-Swedish Excalibur:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S24QGtx6dJY&feature=related

But, admittedly, some Swedes who are entrusted with tanks ought to take driving lessons:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7cebE-sJc8

A nice tribute to USAF as well as the spirit Astrid Lindgren, mother of Pippi Longstocking as well as hundreds of other literary characters, has provided generations of Swedish children with (the song is from a movie based on her books about Emil of Maple Hill which are not as widely known as those about PL)

BUT, is the will of Sweden/Europe really there??


2 posted on 01/19/2008 1:20:32 PM PST by WesternCulture
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The answer is an emphatic yes, Europe can use that red phone to call the President and negotiate with the Congress to task the United States Army, Navy, Air Force, and Marines to defeat the Islamic Republic of Iran.


3 posted on 01/19/2008 1:23:09 PM PST by dufekin (Name the leader of our enemy: Islamic Republic of Iran, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, terrorist dictator)
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Iran is.

Europe is not.

By the time agreement on action was reached, they will be dead


4 posted on 01/19/2008 1:24:03 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . Moveon is not us...... Moveon is the enemy)
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Could Europe defeat Iran?

Maybe the wrong question. Europe has no intention of defeating anybody.

Better: “Could Europe give Iran a Time-Out?”

Answer: “Absolutely.”

Next Question: “Would a Time-Out on Iran do any good?”

Answer: “No.”


9 posted on 01/19/2008 1:33:34 PM PST by Migraine (...diversity is great... until it happens to YOU...)
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Sure Europe can take on Islamofacism and win. I think that is generally what you are asking.
But first Europeans must be pushed to the precipice before she will come together and act.
Europe does well with its back against the wall. NOt to quick initially though.
Family came from Northeast Sewden, Nordquist.


11 posted on 01/19/2008 1:38:33 PM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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They would have to do several things to get ready. At present they do not have the personnel or the transportation to win. Nor do they have the quantity of weapons needed. After the fall of the USSR it has been on a downward slide and their presence in Afghanistan is about all they have. Just my opinion of course.
12 posted on 01/19/2008 1:38:46 PM PST by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the US Senate)
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Could Europe defeat Iran?

No. Of course you have the industrial capacity. But war is not won by production schedules it's won by WILL. And Europe does not have the WILL to fight. It's that simple.
14 posted on 01/19/2008 1:40:25 PM PST by Kozak (Anti Shahada: There is no god named Allah, and Muhammed is a false prophet)
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If I had Sarkozy’s *bride to be* and thought she was in any danger, I’d fire off a nuke to save her. (and Europe)


15 posted on 01/19/2008 1:45:23 PM PST by wolfcreek (The Status Quo Sucks!)
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I love Europe and much of it’s culture and food, wine, etc., but defending themselves? When have they ever done that?

I’d love for them to finally get tough about defending themselves and their great culture and accomplishments, but I have my doubts.

It’s not really just Europe, it’s about Western civilization, all the PC and “multicultural” baloney vs the total insanity of Islamofruitcakeism fascism/Nazism, etc.

It’s about the future of civilization on the entire planet and the history of the civbililzed world.

It’s light and reason against darkness and death and insanity


16 posted on 01/19/2008 1:51:39 PM PST by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now, courtesy of Islam.)
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Could Europe defeat Iran?

Well, they've already defeated themselves.

18 posted on 01/19/2008 1:56:06 PM PST by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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(whatever the role of NATO/USA/Russia would be in such a conflict)

Seems clear to me that Russia is using Iran as their big stick. Their carrot is energy. Russia is still fighting WWII. Their May Day parade is back.

20 posted on 01/19/2008 2:04:17 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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No.


23 posted on 01/19/2008 2:25:12 PM PST by Brilliant
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Your industrial achievements are indeed impressive but in the WoT the greater battle is political and psychological, a battle of will.

Loose your Viking will and nothing will harm you.
31 posted on 01/19/2008 3:52:25 PM PST by BIGLOOK (Keelhaul politicians. The Ship of State needs a good scrubbing!)
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Yes, if they put their mind to it. But they have no backbone.


35 posted on 01/19/2008 4:23:46 PM PST by dr_who_2
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The EU could not defeat 10 red necks with what they have “around the house” in a 1972 cadilac el dorado convertable.

actually strike that..

a cub scout pack with slingshots.


37 posted on 01/19/2008 4:28:03 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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The countries of Europe have not fought a war since 1940.

I don’t think they remember how.

The US has protected them since 1945 at tremendous cost to ourselves and our families. We helped free the half of Europe that was under Soviet domination for half a century.

When we went into Iraq to stop Saddam Hussein and the possibility that he had WMDs, all Europe did was get in the way.

That’s because Germany, France(and Russia) were making tons of illegal money in the Oil for Food scandal.

After fifty five years of almost single handedly paying for NATO, they are “helping” in Afghanistan. That why we have to send 3200 Marines there, to help NATO help us out.

As an American taxpayer for 36 years, I’ve had enough of saving Europe and the rest of the world while we are treated like sh#t. No other country in world history has created the freedoms and opportunities and fought with the blood of its own citizens for more people in the world than us.

So, where is our cheap oil? Where is all of our territory and colonies? Where is the loot that oppressor nations like us are supposed to have?

And just where are the statues of the American soldier and the American taxpayer in the town squares across the world?

Could Europe defeat Iran?

Europe will not lift a finger to fight Iran. Europe sat around a table with Iran for three years while Iran danced them dizzy with lies about their nuclear program.

Europe will not lift a finger because they have not had to fight for 65 years, and they have forgotten how.

And this is one poorer taxpayer who won’t shed a tear over them.


42 posted on 01/19/2008 4:47:46 PM PST by exit82 (How do you handle Hillary? You Huma her.)
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I believe Sweden and the rest of Europe can defeat Iran, with some caveats. European history is filled with times when Europeans waited until it was almost too late, hoping things would blow over. Then they had to fight extremely bloody wars to get themselves out of their desperate situation.

I believe the same pattern is happening again regarding radical Islam. Can you fight and win? Yes, today you can. But will you, before it is too late? I don't know.

45 posted on 01/19/2008 5:13:22 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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I believe Sweden and the rest of Europe can defeat Iran, with some caveats. European history is filled with times when Europeans waited until it was almost too late, hoping things would blow over. Then they had to fight extremely bloody wars to get themselves out of their desperate situation.

I believe the same pattern is happening again regarding radical Islam. Can you fight and win? Yes, today you can. But will you, before it is too late? I don't know.

46 posted on 01/19/2008 5:14:16 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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Hmm, Scandahoovian roots, talking about fighting Wahabi-style Islamicism.

Take a bow!

Have you ever looked up the blog The Anti-Idiotarian Rottweiler?

Full Disclosure: Strong (R or worse) language, but excruciatingly funny at times.

Cheers!

48 posted on 01/19/2008 5:31:01 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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Sweden turned Catholicism into a second rate world power in the 17th century and could also manage, despite being lead by an inexperienced, adolescent King (but OK, Charles XII was exceptionally gifted), to ridicule an alliance of Denmark, Poland and Russia to the extent that, especially the "super power", of Russia was left crippled and backwards for decades, if not for centuries.

They still are. Of course that owes something to the weakness of socialism, especially completely top down Communism, but their defeat by the Swedes came at an important time in their development.

55 posted on 01/19/2008 7:57:23 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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