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To: MNJohnnie

Folks, please take a gander back to the year 2000. George Bush beat leftist lunatic Al Gore by an infintesimal amount and only after numerous court decisions, rampaging Cubans, etc. Bush actually LOST the popular vote.

You don’t write in Santa Claus, you don’t wait for the democrats to wreck the country (and they will) so that then everybody votes your way in the future. I’ve written this before, I live in a town where the republicans said that when they first lost control, and it’s gotten so bad the GOP didnt even field a candidate last time!

You make a decision like a responsible citizen and you vote in your presidential election and you don’t vote for Hilary, a third party, or yourself.

Here endeth the lesson.


25 posted on 01/20/2008 7:09:30 AM PST by Williams
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To: Williams
Hillary/Capone...it's all the same...

"Are you ready to go the distance?

(FReepers) Well...ARE you?"

32 posted on 01/20/2008 7:13:36 AM PST by NordP (Such tough choices ahead, I'm now a "middle of the road" voter--somewhere between RUSH & Savage ;-))
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To: Williams
Ah, but some would rather be pure and dead in the ditch than to cede their right of way to the oncoming truck.

The quest for the immaculate Conservative continues. Electability is hardly even an issue when someone would rather their issues loose to teach the proponents of those issues ‘a lesson’ for not advancing those issues hard enough. If they didn’t learn last time (and I mean the voters AND our Republican elected officials), they aint’ ever going to learn. But teach on. Maybe we can keep the “I’m taking my ball and going HOME!” crybaby conservatism to a minimum. As you pointed out it destroys the party and the issue if its proponents are finicky at the polls.

94 posted on 01/20/2008 7:40:43 AM PST by allmendream ("A Lyger is pretty much my favorite animal."NapoleonD (Hunter 08))
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To: Williams

No, you vote your conscience.

If you’re a conservative... you look at the list of candidates and vote for the one that best fits your beliefs.

End of story.

(If your candidate loses, then the obvious conclusion is that there are more voters in your community that think differently than you.)


125 posted on 01/20/2008 7:54:02 AM PST by gogogodzilla (Republicans are just Socialism-lite.)
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To: Williams

Soooo....just bend over and take it? Again and again?


164 posted on 01/20/2008 8:33:03 AM PST by Grunthor (No Juan. No Huckaliar. Not primary, not general, not ever.)
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To: Williams
Here endeth the lesson.

No Boyo, here starthet the lesson. A political foe who is on your side 5% of the time is still your foe no matter if he happens to wear the "correct" party label.

No Conservative should ever consider voting for McCain. We worry the others will betray us. We know McCain will betray us. Look at his record for the last 8 years? Been nothing but betrayal and obstruction.

With any of the other canidates we have a seat at the table. We know John McCain will never listen to us on anything.

With McCain Conservatives would get maybe 10%. That would not be worth the enormous long term damage McCain would do to both the GOP and the Conservative Movement. With a McCain Administration we would have a mislabeled “Conservative” Administration pushing Democrat Party polices while the GOP took all the political fall out of the consequences of those disastrous decisions.

Just what could Conservatives expect to get from a McCain Administration? Based on McCain’s record for the last 8 years, we could expect to get tough talk on foreign policy and spending with no real action on any issue.

Do people forget the Democrats trying to get McCain to flip party’s in Jan 2006? Forget that Dems wanted McCain as their VP candidate in 2004?

How quickly the supposed Conservatives for McCain forget McCain’s political record. From Tax-cuts to the War to Judges McCain’s whole strategy has been to be as Liberal as possible and stay in the GOP.

Politically there is very little difference between Hillary and McCain. You get minor variations on this and that issue, like abortion, but over all McCain and Clinton share the same political philosophical outlook

McCain has done nothing for the Conservative movement in 8 years. While talking a good game on spending, he has done nothing. This is particularly galling considering all the issues CFR, Judges, Immigration Anti Torture Amendment-Gang of 14 etc etc etc issues which McCain was more then willing to throw his weight behind an issues to get legislation passed.

McCain has actively worked against the Conservatives on Social issues, on the WOT, on Iraq, on Gitmo, against Rummy, on Immigration and on Judges, on Global Warming etc etc etc etc etc. McCain has far more in common with Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama then he does with any Conservative.

Funny how the Talking Heads miss this. Out of 49 Republican Senators McCain has been ranked 45th by the American Conservative Union for his voting record!

McCain would be the worse of both worlds. A mislabeled “Conservative” Administration actively advancing the Democrat Party’s agenda while knifing Conservatives in the back daily. You could even count on a McCain Administration appointing Leftist Judges in order to avoid fighting with the Democrats in the US Senate.

Tough on Foreign Policy? You think Mr “Close Gitmo and extend the same legal protections US Citizens have to the terrorists” McCain is going to have a “tough” foreign policy? The father of the Baker Commission and the plan to surrender Iraq to Iran and Syria is “strong on Foreign Policy”? Not based on his recored. The wrost thing that a McCain Administration would do is it would fracture the few remaining GOP Congress critters into pro and anti McCain factions. McCain would be the worst of all world politically for the Conservatives.

At least with a Democrat Leftist Administration, as opposed to a McCain Leftist with a GOP Label Administration, the Democrats would get all the political fall out of their disastrous political decisions and the GOP would unite in fighting them. The worst of all possible worlds for Conservatives in 2008 would be McCain getting elected President.

320 posted on 01/21/2008 2:25:38 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Instead of "Swift Boaters", 2008 Democrats have "Short Bussers"-Freeper Sax)
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