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Romney couldn't connect with S.C. voters
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Posted on 01/20/2008 9:34:59 AM PST by barryg

Mitt Romney had it all — money, looks, organization, endorsements and a seasoned staff.

But he still couldn’t crack South Carolina. There was something about the former Massachusetts governor that turned off Palmetto State voters.

He couldn’t connect with them no matter how hard he tried.

“He came across as a luxury car salesman,” said Francis Marion University political scientist Neal Thigpen, a Republican.

Romney spent about $280,000 a week to make his name known across South Carolina.

That was $3 million last year, in South Carolina alone.

He still flopped.

Realizing he couldn’t win here, Romney fled South Carolina last week with no plans to return. He hopped a plane to Nevada to claim his caucus win there Saturday.

The way South Carolinians saw it, Romney was ceding the state to three rivals — U.S. Sen. John McCain of Arizona, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee and former U.S. Sen. Fred Thompson of Tennessee.

Romney made a mistake earlier in the month when he pulled all of his money out of South Carolina to go campaigning in Michigan, said Clemson University professor Dave Woodard.

“His timing was just terrible,” said Woodard, a Republican. “It couldn’t have been worse. What Romney was saying was, ‘I really don’t care about South Carolina.’

“He left us at the altar.”

Romney’s campaign never did catch fire here. After a brief period leading in S.C. polls last fall, he lost steam, slumping to third, fourth or fifth in the polls.

Why? Three reasons.

Romney is from Massachusetts, automatically making him suspect in South Carolina. Voters here don’t trust politicians from the home of Teddy Kennedy, Mike Dukakis and John Kerry.

Voters also questioned Romney’s conservative credentials. His flip-flopping on key social issues — abortion and gay rights —caused S.C. voters to wonder about his claims of being a conservative.

Among S.C. voters who told exit pollsters Saturday the main reason they voted for a candidate was because he “says what he believes,” Romney finished last among the five candidates who actively campaigned here.

Romney’s Mormon faith also hurt him among evangelical voters in the Republican primary. Many Southern Baptists, who comprise the largest denomination in the state, see Mormonism as a cult. Romney ran fourth among S.C. voters who identified themselves in exit polls as born-again or evangelical Christians.

However, Thigpen rejects the notion that Romney lost South Carolina because of his faith.

“It wasn’t his faith,” he said. “It was his phonyism.”

Romney’s decision to pack up to Nevada and its caucus were an attempt to build on his lone primary victory, in Michigan. Romney also won Wyoming’s little-watched caucus.

His departure from South Carolina served to lower expectations for him here, even though he started to advertise again in the primary’s days and made a get-out-the-vote effort.

The other high-profile Republican candidates decided to ignore Nevada in favor of South Carolina with its history of creating and demolishing Republican hopefuls.

For Romney, Nevada presented a particular opportunity. His faith was an asset in that state with its large Mormon population.

One in four Nevada caucus-goers was Mormon; 95 percent supported Romney, according to entrance polls there.

Romney aides have attributed their candidate’s Iowa caucus loss to suspicion about his faith among evangelicals, who rallied behind Huckabee, a Baptist preacher.

Thigpen said Romney made a wise decision to travel to Nevada.

“Why kick a dead horse?” he asked, referring to South Carolina. “Why waste your money on something that doesn’t look promising?”

But in essentially declaring that South Carolina didn’t count, Romney missed a chance to prove he can be a winning candidate nationwide.

South Carolina is “a test-tube state,” said Chip Felker, a Greenville-based Republican consultant. “If you win here, you have shown you can win elsewhere.”


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To: barryg
If McCain does win the nomination, he needs to pick someone that conservatives trust as his running mate, someone who is credible as President in his own right (McCain's age is a factor with some voters, even if his mother is thriving at 95), probably someone not associated with Washington...so most likely a governor. Just not Huckabee, who is not conservative on a lot of key issues, and who will turn off a lot of independent voters who don't want a cornpone Elmer Gantry a heartbeat away.

I don't know who the strongest choice would be...Pawlenty has been mentioned in the past, but maybe there is someone better (I don't know much about Pawlenty).

41 posted on 01/20/2008 10:16:02 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Sybeck1

12/17/2007 - This Sunday on Meet The Press (MTP), Governor Mitt Romney restated his support for the Brady Registration Act and a renewal of the assault weapons ban.

MTP host Tim Russert — certainly no friend of gun owners — pressed Romney on his flip-flopping on the issue of gun rights, questioning Romney’s election year pandering to gun owners and his consistent record of supporting and signing gun control measures in Massachusetts.

Romney’s reply was typical of a politician trying to avoid a difficult record. Romney tried the same old stick, claiming support to the Second Amendment and the rights of gun owners and hunters. However, you and I both know that actions speak louder than words.

As Massachusetts’ governor, Romney signed an assault weapons ban, supported the Brady Registration Act, 5 day waiting periods and firearm registration cards.

http://nationalgunrights.org/alerts/2007-romneyawb.shtml


42 posted on 01/20/2008 10:16:49 AM PST by Mojave
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To: Sybeck1

“What’s McCain’s NRA rating?”

After CFR, the NRA has become a defanged organization.
Ratings from a 2ndA group dont matter when your 1st amendment rights to talk about them are gone.


43 posted on 01/20/2008 10:17:13 AM PST by WOSG (Proamnesty-antiBushtaxcuts-proCO2caps-CFR-RINO John McCain delenda est!)
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To: WOSG

“As Massachusetts’ governor, Romney signed an assault weapons ban, supported the Brady Registration Act, 5 day waiting periods and firearm registration cards.”


44 posted on 01/20/2008 10:17:57 AM PST by Mojave
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To: Verginius Rufus

Haley Barbour might be a good veep. I have never seen Pawlenty so can’t say anything about him.


45 posted on 01/20/2008 10:18:29 AM PST by barryg
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To: kbennkc

Did you forget your sarcasm tags?


46 posted on 01/20/2008 10:19:04 AM PST by moonhawk (Fear and Loathing in '08: Hunter/Thompson)
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To: barryg

“What do people think of a McCain/Huckabee ticket? Is it a winner?”

A double-barrelled pro-amnesty RINO ticket. A surefire ticket to disaster.

The only good thing I can say about it is that it most definitely will NOT happen. Huckabee has been effectively enough dispatched in South Carolina that he wont pick up the delegates to forces such a God-awful match.


47 posted on 01/20/2008 10:20:49 AM PST by WOSG (Proamnesty-antiBushtaxcuts-proCO2caps-CFR-RINO John McCain delenda est!)
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To: barryg

In case you haven’t heard already (since it has been so sparcely reported)

Since 1980 every republican nominee has won SC.

Oh yeah, did I mention that since 1980 every republican nominee has won SC.

And what is really important to know is that since 1980 every republican nominee has won SC.

There, now the hit-piece disguised as a news article has all of the McCain talking points. It already was able to get the “flopped” and “fled” terms in.

Hey barryg. Next time save us the trouble and just post the link to JohnMcCain.com . Cut out the middleman.


48 posted on 01/20/2008 10:21:54 AM PST by 1curiousmind (Romney/Thompson 08 - "We're not electing a Sunday school teacher, but a President." Falwell 5/07)
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To: Mojave

“As Massachusetts’ governor, Romney signed an assault weapons ban,”
FALSE. You are distorting Romney’s record ... Is your point to get McCain nominated? You think McCain will be so much better?


49 posted on 01/20/2008 10:24:44 AM PST by WOSG (Proamnesty-antiBushtaxcuts-proCO2caps-CFR-RINO John McCain delenda est!)
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To: barryg
What do people think of a McCain/Huckabee ticket?

Or McCain/Romney?

"Romney also praised McCain for his general reform campaign when the Arizona senator came to Massachusetts to stump with Romney just before Romney's 2002 election victory in the governor's race. 'He has always stood for reform and change. And he's always fought the good battle, no matter what the odds,' Romney said at the time. 'Those are my values.'" (Eric Moskowitz, "Romney, McCain Spar On Campaign Finance," Concord Monitor, 4/27/07)

50 posted on 01/20/2008 10:25:12 AM PST by Mojave
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To: WOSG

Facts in the way? - you are delusional. :)

Mitt will lose big.
Unfortunate, but there it is.
And my facts are just fine on NE liberal RINOs like Mitt


51 posted on 01/20/2008 10:25:20 AM PST by bill1952 (The right to buy weapons is the right to be free)
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To: 1curiousmind

“Hey barryg. Next time save us the trouble and just post the link to JohnMcCain.com . Cut out the middleman.”

LOL. Cut out the real middleman. Just link to the New York Times editorial board. That’s what we are getting by nominating McCain!


52 posted on 01/20/2008 10:26:02 AM PST by WOSG (Proamnesty-antiBushtaxcuts-proCO2caps-CFR-RINO John McCain delenda est!)
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To: bill1952

We are screwed.


53 posted on 01/20/2008 10:28:02 AM PST by SIDENET (Hubba Hubba...)
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To: WOSG
FALSE.

"The Brady Bill has changed over time, and, of course, technology has changed over time. I would have supported the original assault weapon ban." --"Mitt" Romney

Was Romney lying again?

"I signed an assault weapon ban in Massachusetts governor because it provided for a relaxation of licensing requirements for gun owners in Massachusetts, which was a big plus." --"Mitt" Romney

Was Romney lying yet again?

54 posted on 01/20/2008 10:28:20 AM PST by Mojave
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To: bill1952

Mitt’s proving himself to be a likable winner.


55 posted on 01/20/2008 10:28:55 AM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (So-called free trade advocates = "China Firsters")
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To: barryg
South Carolina is tailor made for McCain, with the largest veteran and military population, as well as his Primary history there.

It is tailor made for fellow Southerner Huckabee, with the largest evangelical population of any State.

It is tailor made for pure conservative Thompson, from neighboring Tennessee, as it is among the most conservative of States.

If it is tailor made for his rivals three, for Romney it cannot be.

56 posted on 01/20/2008 10:29:38 AM PST by Plutarch
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To: ari-freedom

By putting Hillary or Obama on the opposition ticket. Much of the old media sure is “worried” that Romney can’t win...


57 posted on 01/20/2008 10:30:03 AM PST by elfman2 ("As goes Fallujah, so goes central Iraq and so goes the entire country" -Col Coleman, USMC ,4/2004)
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To: WOSG
Romney IMHO will pull it off, and if not will be #2. Rudy #3 and Huck #4.

I certainly hope so.

I do think Rudy will finish in the top two

Personally, I'm for Fred, but as he continues to finish weak third and fourth, that pretty much leaves me with Romney, who I think is competent, though I do dislike his forced Mittcare in Mass.

I guess if I wanted a perfect candidate I would run. I would get a least one vote : )

58 posted on 01/20/2008 10:30:31 AM PST by Popman (Gold Standard: Trying to squeeze a 50 lb economy back into a 5 lb bag)
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To: elfman2

“Much of the old media sure is “worried” that Romney can’t win...”

________________

I think that really says it all. Go Mitt!


59 posted on 01/20/2008 10:31:43 AM PST by 1curiousmind (Romney/Thompson 08 - "We're not electing a Sunday school teacher, but a President." Falwell 5/07)
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To: WOSG

Nothing on Romney???

(repost)

Abortion

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P_w9pquznG4

Immigration

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2006/12/01/illegal_immigrants_toiled_for_governor/

http://www.factcheck.org/tough_guy_on_immigration.html

War on Terror

Has no experience on this issue

Romney: There Is NOT a Global War on Terror. During an event in Iowa, Romney said: “There’s not a global war on terror. There’s a global war being waged by the terrorists and if I am president, there will be a global war waged on the terrorists and we will win.” [Iowa City Press-Citizen, 8/9/07]

Judicial Appoinments

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2006/11/02/romney_pledges_no_flurry_of_lame_duck_appointments/

http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/james_antle/2007/11/judging_romney_and_giuliani.html

http://watersblogged.blogspot.com/2007/12/romneys-terrible-record-of-judicial.html

2nd Amendment

http://www.alphecca.com/mt_alphecca_archives/003072.html

http://www.snubnose.info/wordpress/news/mitt-romney-on-gun-control/

Business

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-mittoffshore17dec17,0,6296455.story?coll=la-home-center

http://blog.aflcio.org/2007/05/31/romneys-business-experience-firing-workers-hiring-them-back-at-lower-wages/

Lower Taxes

http://www.clubforgrowth.org/2007/08/mitt_romneys_record_on_economi.php

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2007/12/22/romney-and-mccain-campaigns-tangle-over-taxes/

http://schotlinepress.wordpress.com/2008/01/15/mitt-romneys-memory-lapse-on-suv-tax-hike/

Global Warming

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2004/05/07/romney_hedges_on_global_warming/

http://talk.livedaily.com/showthread.php?t=573407

Energy Independence

http://www.grist.org/feature/2007/11/13/romney_factsheet/

http://www.eagletribune.com/punewsnh/local_story_055094544?keyword=secondarystory+page=1

Drilling in ANWR

Pro

Gays and the Boy Scouts

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEOJNw4lmlI


60 posted on 01/20/2008 10:32:01 AM PST by Rational Thought
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