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Conservatism's forecast is cloudy
Inside Bay Area ^ | Jan. 20, 2008 | Argus Editorial

Posted on 01/20/2008 10:45:49 AM PST by FocusNexus

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To: VRW Conspirator

I think of a lot of people liked what they were hearing, liberals by definition, and hopped on the bandwagon completely unaware of who was pushing the agenda.

And then of course there are those who don’t care what the unintended consequences are just as long a their own personal agenda gets moved along.


21 posted on 01/20/2008 11:49:58 AM PST by jwparkerjr (Sigh . . .)
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To: jerry557
The electorate is clearly moving to the left.

This is true. I hope that some of it is simply a pendulum effect. I would say that conservative political power peaked from about 1982 -1992. Although the left has always been strong, today the entire debate seems to have embraced their rhetoric. Flipping through the channels today I observed all the talking heads and candidates talking about ways in which government can bail people out. There was no mention of pride and self reliance at all.

The conservative movement has truth on its side. It does not lack for passion and intellect. What we do not have is a capable charismatic leader to ignite the turn around. Pending that, I believe that we are obligated to limit the damage that the Left does during it's ascendancy.

22 posted on 01/20/2008 12:33:21 PM PST by outofstyle (My Ride's Here)
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To: FocusNexus
"Some conservatives are NOT fiscal conservatives, but religious socialists.

Today's true conservatives were f/k/a "classic" liberals. Those who actually think Jesus would approve of them imposing their religious ideas on others, aren't "Christians", they are religious tyrants.

C. S. Lewis describes them perfectly:

Lewis addresses theocracy (the most potent form of Religious involvement in government) in an essay entitled, "A Reply to Professor Haldane" (Lewis, C.S. "A Reply to Professor Haldane." On Sotries. ed. Walter Hooper. Harcort & Brace Co. Orlando, Florida. 1996.):

If we must have a tyrant, a robber baron is far better than an inquisitor. The baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity at some point may be sated; and since he dimly knows he is doing wrong he may possibly repent. But the inquisitor who mistakes his own cruelty and lust of power and fear for the voice of Heaven will torment us infinitely more because he torments us with the approval of his own conscience and his better impulses appear to him as temptations.

And since Theocracy is the worst, the nearer any government approaches to Theocracy the worse it will be. A metaphysic held by the rulers with the force of a religion, is a bad sign. It forbids them, like the inquisitor, to admit any grain of truth or good in their opponents, it abrogates the ordinary rules of morality, and it gives a seemingly high, super-personal sanction to all the very ordinary human passions by which, like other men, the rulers will frequently be actuated.

In a word, it forbids wholesome doubt. A political programme can never in reality be more than probably right. We never know all the facts about the present and we can only guess the future. To attach to a party programme--whose highest claim is to reasonable prudence--the sort of assent which we should reserve for demonstrable theorems, is a kind of intoxication (75-76).

23 posted on 01/20/2008 1:06:33 PM PST by Matchett-PI (Algore - there's not a more priggish, sanctimonious moral scold of a church lady anywhere.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I hated the Bush-created term “compassionate conservatism” from the very first time I heard it. It’s the thing that’s led us to this point. Big spending. Open borders. “Democracy” for everyone.


24 posted on 01/20/2008 2:33:54 PM PST by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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To: puroresu

It caused revulsion in me as well.


25 posted on 01/20/2008 2:41:08 PM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: FocusNexus

“There must be some truth in this, because otherwise Huckabee would never have gotten as many votes as he did.”

There are lots of one-issue voters out there, and abortion is a big one. That’s why Giuliani would be such a dangerous nominee... A huge chunk of what has, before now, been considered a unified “base” would peel right off and vote for a pro-life candidate wherever they were able to find one. Including me.


26 posted on 01/20/2008 5:58:30 PM PST by COgamer
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To: DoughtyOne
Me three. Fed up. A total betrayal of Ronald Reagan.

These knuckleheads need to go listen to RR's 1981 inaugural address again. They stand for everything he stood against...and call themselves ("My friends" (sic) ) "Conservative".....

27 posted on 01/20/2008 6:01:09 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Enough has been said already. The RINO takeover is almost complete. It is what it is.)
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To: FocusNexus
Cloudy?, conservatism is dead.

The electorate has discovered the old rules don't apply anymore. Government is now all about divvying up the spoils.

The more money government spends and the more power over people it has the more some people will climb over each other to get it.

It used to be that government had to tax us to get money to spend, now they borrow money from the Fed willy-nilly to chase their schemes. Good old George is going to borrow 100 billion or more so as to send us all a check in the mail--how thoughtful.

A great number of our problems stem from overspending.

For instance, the government cannot mitigate the current credit crises because it has no money.

The government has created trillions in debt and borrows more every day.

Even Bernanke agrees we cannot continue at this pace. Who's going to stop it? Who's even talking about it?

28 posted on 01/20/2008 6:31:14 PM PST by Cruising Speed
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To: AmericanInTokyo
His ‘Time for Choosing’ speech back in the 60’s was excellent as well.
29 posted on 01/21/2008 8:54:31 AM PST by DoughtyOne (< fence >< sound immigration policies >< /weasles >< /RINOs >< /Reagan wannabees that are liberal >)
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To: VRW Conspirator
This was done by design! When the communist party was making headway in America in the '20's and '30's. The major focus was in three areas - unions(of any kind), education(higher and lower) and news media (largely magazines and newspapers). What we see today is the poison spread by the commies and their fellow travelers.

EXACTLY

Don't forget to add major religious denominations into this kettle of fish. Who needs to go to church when government takes care of everything.

30 posted on 01/21/2008 9:06:14 AM PST by Little_GTO
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