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To: TCats

Because I think Obama is worse than the Clintons. The Clintons bend when they have to. Under Bill Clinton we got welfare reform, the defense of marriage act, etc.. He held on partial birth abortion but he did bend on other things. With Obama I think he will talk moderate and ALWAYS use his power to the full extent he can for liberalism.


14 posted on 01/20/2008 12:52:03 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Fair enough. I guess with me it is a little more personal than pragmatic. I can never forgive or forget his behavior on so many levels and her active support of it. So cynical and damaging to everyone and every institution they are involved with.


22 posted on 01/20/2008 12:55:23 PM PST by TCats
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past
Under Bill Clinton we got welfare reform, the defense of marriage act, etc.. He held on partial birth abortion

Believe it or not, those changes were brought about by Limbaugh. With Limbaugh on the air blasting away every day and majority opinion tilting his side, Clinton had little choice but acquiesce. Obama on the other hand though still a liberal, does not see himself as a remnant of the 60s, the era of excesses as he called it.

40 posted on 01/20/2008 1:05:05 PM PST by libh8er
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

I agree. Obama voted, I have heard, for an Illinois bill that would make it easier anesthetize disabled infants. Furthermore, he is multiculturalism made flesh. He is the Clintons without the American roots.


52 posted on 01/20/2008 1:11:46 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

I agree with you. As much as hillery-rotten scares the life out of me, Osama-I-mean-Obama scares me even more.


55 posted on 01/20/2008 1:13:57 PM PST by Fudd Fan (Vic-tor-ee-in-Ess-Cee! I'm conservative and I'm with FRED©®™!!)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

I don’t think we can assume that Hillary will govern like Bill; from all that I’ve read and heard about her, she will be to the left of Bill, occasionally to the right of Obama but also occasionally to the left. I wouldn’t want to bet on how much influence her erstwhile spouse will have once she doesn’t need him to get the presidency.


58 posted on 01/20/2008 1:17:47 PM PST by skr (How majestic is Thy Name, O Lord, and how mighty are Thy Works!)
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past

Correction,Ghost.We got Welfare Reform in SPITE of Bill Clinton,not because of him.Conservatives in Congress pressed and pressed him on that issue till he finally signed the bill after vetoing stricter measures first.
I am more on Obama’s side because although I loathe his liberal politics,I viscerally despise the Clintons.Obama at least seems to have a sense of decency.
I can’t say that about the Clintons.


73 posted on 01/20/2008 2:41:12 PM PST by Riverman94610
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To: The Ghost of FReepers Past; TCats
Bill is a politician, Hillary! is an extremist. She thinks she just has to say it and it will be done. She'll make Bill look like a schoolboy if she gets in the WH.
84 posted on 01/20/2008 3:11:43 PM PST by InvisibleChurch (" Nobody likes weepy meat." -- Mayor Quimby)
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You don’t understand that Hillary is a total committed Socialist, she has a agenda, Bill really never had one.
Obama I believe can be reasoned with, I don’t think Hillary once in power can be.
95 posted on 01/20/2008 6:47:21 PM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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