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N. Korea: Regime collapse in Pyongyang (no-notice regime collapse)
WT ^ | 01/21/08 | Daniel L. Davis

Posted on 1/24/2008, 12:47:31 AM by TigerLikesRooster

Regime collapse in Pyongyang

January 21, 2008

By Daniel L. Davis - On Nov. 7, Defense Secretary Robert Gates visited his South Korean counterpart Kim Jang-soo to underscore the solidarity between the United States and the Republic of Korea with regard to the oft-intransigent North Korea. Sending an unmistakable message to Pyongyang — and Asia in general — about how seriously America views the security situation on the Korean Peninsula, Mr. Gates was accompanied by the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the admiral commanding all American forces in the Pacific, and the four-star general commanding all troops in South Korea.

Notably absent from this contingent, however, were any State Department officials. This omission was critical because though military tension continues to pervade the Korean Peninsula, there is another crisis looming that could actually portend greater global disruptions than even a North Korean attack, and this crisis will require all the diplomatic skill we possess. It involves the collapse of the regime.

North Korean President Kim Jong-il will soon celebrate his 66th birthday amid widespread, though unconfirmed, rumors of deteriorating health. The Kim regime is unquestionably the world's most anachronistic government, and even absent rumors of his imminent death, Kim's totalitarian regime will eventually join the corpses of the Soviet Union, East Germany and other former dictatorships. Of great concern to North Korea's neighbors in the region, however, is the prospect of a no-notice regime collapse whereby the North becomes totally dependent upon surrounding nations — particularly South Korea — for its physical survival.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: axisofevil; gates; korea; nk; nkorea; nonotice; northkorea; planning; regimecollapse
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As I said many times, N. Korean regime will be most likely to implode without much advance warning, considering that it refuses change with tooth and nail and none of major players surrounding N. Korea is willing to upset the status quo.

The longer the current situation lasts, the more chaotic the eventual collapse would be.

1 posted on 1/24/2008, 12:47:34 AM by TigerLikesRooster
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To: TigerLikesRooster; AmericanInTokyo; Steel Wolf; nuconvert; MizSterious; nw_arizona_granny; ...

Ping!


2 posted on 1/24/2008, 12:48:02 AM by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Right. Like Cuba will collapse, Iran will collapse, Venezuela will collapse. As if nobody there has a clue what to do. The only country of consequence that might actually collapse is Pakistan, and that won’t happen while the Army exists.


3 posted on 1/24/2008, 12:51:04 AM by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

It’s going to be ugly when it happens.


4 posted on 1/24/2008, 12:54:41 AM by kinoxi
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To: RightWhale

IMHO The ChiComs are ready to march. Their goal of the 50s will be achieved.


5 posted on 1/24/2008, 12:56:59 AM by Citizen Tom Paine (Swift as the wind; Calmly majestic as a forest; Steady as the mountains.)
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To: Citizen Tom Paine

N Kor has nothing China needs or wants. Maybe a shipyard, but that wouldn’t be worth sending in a squadron of traffic cops.


6 posted on 1/24/2008, 12:58:56 AM by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: RightWhale
For three countries you mentioned, they at least have something to eat. Venezuela and Iran have lots of oil to sell. Cuba manages to live off its land.

For N. Korea, it is different. Current N. Korean regime needs air-tight state control to survive. It is a cult commune. Without it, it will collapse, and state control is not what it used to be. It will go bang in one of these days.

7 posted on 1/24/2008, 1:00:42 AM by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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To: RightWhale
N. Korea is China's important buffer. North East corner of N. Korea also provide vital access to the sea for land-locked Eastern Manchuria region.

It has a lot of strategic value to China.

8 posted on 1/24/2008, 1:03:05 AM by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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Let's send in Tom Cruise when Chia Pet kicks the bucket.

He acts like enough of a fruit loop. /sarc>

Cheers!

9 posted on 1/24/2008, 1:03:45 AM by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: TigerLikesRooster

Maybe something to that, but Russia owned it last before the Japanese and that is possibly where WW III will begin and the USA need not be involved.


10 posted on 1/24/2008, 1:05:42 AM by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: RightWhale

Cuba, Iran and Venezuela have nowhere near the problems North Korea has. They have widespread starvation and, even with the allies they do have, barely can provide enough fuel to meet the needs of their military.

While the people may not revolt, there are those in positions of power who would like to be in total control, and eventually there will be action along those lines.

Likely, when one player makes a move it will be a free-for-all, as no-one has been given enough power to do it alone, and nobody trusts anyone else.


11 posted on 1/24/2008, 1:07:03 AM by SlapHappyPappy
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To: TigerLikesRooster

What with N. Korean citizens do? Which way do they lean? Suppose they want unity with S. Korea, then what does China do—and how will Japan react to that?


12 posted on 1/24/2008, 1:12:18 AM by Judith Anne (I have no idea what to put here. Not a clue.)
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To: kinoxi
It’s going to be ugly when it happens.

It is already ugly there. Eating tree bark to stay alive isn't as glamorous as it sounds.

13 posted on 1/24/2008, 1:14:50 AM by ME-262 (Nancy Pelosi is known to the state of CA to render Viagra ineffective causing reproductive harm.)
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To: RightWhale
Well, I am not sure “not getting involved” would make things better. Emboldened China would become more aggressive, raising the risk.
14 posted on 1/24/2008, 1:15:00 AM by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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Pretty lame article. He makes one prediction and then starts issuing directives.

If NK collapses suddenly, we have nothing to worry about.

China will move in quickly and fill the void. Any plans that we and other nations make would be useless.


15 posted on 1/24/2008, 1:16:26 AM by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (If Hillary is elected, her legacy will be telling the American people: Better put some ice on that.)
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To: kinoxi
It’s going to be ugly when it happens.

Ugly is probably a serious understatement.

Between the physical hardship, psychological brain washing and brutal repression North Korea will take decades to normalize

16 posted on 1/24/2008, 1:19:18 AM by Popman (Gold Standard: Trying to squeeze a 50 lb economy back into a 5 lb bag)
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To: ME-262

From what I understand, they eat each other to survive. Border nations need to rush in when this happens to keep their populace from being plundered/slaughtered for food.


17 posted on 1/24/2008, 1:19:47 AM by kinoxi
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To: Popman

Rehabilitating trained pit bulls.


18 posted on 1/24/2008, 1:22:07 AM by kinoxi
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
I don’t know. Since S. Korean Constitution spells out N. Korea as its territory, S. Korean military may also have to move up. If they don’t, S. Korean government would be in real political crisis because of huge popular backlash.
19 posted on 1/24/2008, 1:23:31 AM by TigerLikesRooster (kim jong-il, chia head, ppogri, In Grim Reaper we trust)
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What with N. Korean citizens do? Which way do they lean? Suppose they want unity with S. Korea, then what does China do—and how will Japan react to that?

Those poor people probably just want a sandwich.

20 posted on 1/24/2008, 1:28:33 AM by ovrtaxt (In my fantasy world, the Dems run a Zell Miller/ Lieberman ticket...)
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