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Giuliani's Florida win appears in danger (Cali and NY slipping away)
AP ^ | 1/24/08 | LIZ SIDOTI and JENNIFER LOVEN, Associated Press Writers

Posted on 01/24/2008 8:01:05 AM PST by Liz

DEERFIELD BEACH, Fla. - Rudy Giuliani splurged on Florida, lavishing time and money on a high-risk gamble that the state would vault him to the Republican presidential nomination. Five days before his make-or-break primary, all that last year's national front-runner has to show for the love he's given the Sunshine State is a diminished standing. "We are gaining support. I think you'll see that over the next few days," Giuliani insisted Wednesday, hours before a new poll showed him trailing John McCain and Mitt Romney. Florida was supposed to be "Rudy Country."

His game plan called for playing down earlier-voting states for a laser focus on Florida and its 57-delegate prize. He pumped more than $3 million into advertising and planted himself here, counting on a win to give him unbeatable momentum going into the voting by nearly two dozen states on Feb. 5. The nomination was to follow. All that now is in danger.

McCain and Romney grabbed headlines by winning states that voted earlier; Giuliani won nothing and stayed out of the picture. Polls this week, even in his home state of New York, an expected bulwark for him on Feb. 5, showed him tied or behind. His once huge advantage in California is no more, either.

In Florida, a new poll shows McCain and Romney neck-and-neck for the lead, with 25 percent and 23 percent, respectively, while Giuliani and Mike Huckabee trail at 15 percent. More than one-fourth of the likely voters surveyed between Sunday and Tuesday — 27 percent — said they still may change their minds. The poll was sponsored by the St. Petersburg Times, The Miami Herald and Bay News 9. Undeterred, Giuliani said, "We are going to accomplish it against the odds."

He argued that his message just needs a little more time to sink in. He's the only Republican supporting a national catastrophic insurance fund important to many hurricane-weary and cash-strapped Floridians, he has what he calls the largest tax-cut proposal of any candidate and says he has the most relevant government experience. "As these ideas seep through, I think we're going to do well here," Giuliani said.

It's possible that absentee and early voters could give Giuliani a bump in Tuesday's primary. He has get-out-the-vote programs catering to both, and these voters would have cast ballots before Giuliani's decline and McCain's ascent. He's also counting on a large number of New York retirees in Florida to carry him to victory, but its unclear how many are registered to vote, let alone as a Republican. This isn't the first time Giuliani has tried to compete only to hit a rocky patch.

He peppered Iowans with mailed campaign literature and some $300,000 in radio advertisements, only to finish sixth behind little-known Texas Rep. Ron Paul in the leadoff contest. New Hampshire's primary proved embarrassing as well with more than $3 million spent on ads and mail and countless visits — and a fourth-place showing.

"Everywhere this guy has gone, he's faded," said GOP strategist Tony Fabrizio, a Republican pollster. As polls shifted, Giuliani has changed his story on Florida's importance. "It's all about Florida," he said Monday. Now, his campaign says the state merely is an "important" part of the race — though it's unclear whether he has the money to be competitive later.

Senior aides have forgone paychecks this month. Giuliani was getting beat 2-1 earlier this week in TV-ad spending in several of the state's expensive media markets; he poured more money to his buys late Wednesday, which may have brought him to parity.

Alone for weeks in Florida, Giuliani taunted his opponents Saturday as they competed in South Carolina. "We're waiting for you," he said then.

Judging from the last few days, he would just as soon have them leave again. Giuliani faced crowds that were a bit flat and small early this week. He got polite applause in a large but half-empty community hall in Sun City Center, where retirement is the local industry. And only a few dozen people showed up at the aptly chosen Presidential Ballroom at Church Street, a banquet facility near downtown Orlando. He took precious time away from Florida on Tuesday to fly to New York to collect campaign cash, leaving his schedule light — only four public events in three days. He devoted other time to media interviews and cutting a final Florida ad.

Earlier this week, Giuliani's campaign also appeared to squander a golden opportunity when McCain said he does not support the federally backed catastrophic insurance fund. Instead of seizing on the comment himself, Giuliani left it to aides and surrogates who got little attention. He rolled out an advertisement seeking to strike a contrast with the Arizona senator — but it didn't name McCain and was aimed only for the Internet, not the vastly wider reach of TV. On Thursday, his campaign announced that the spot would, indeed, be broadcast on TV.

At one point, Giuliani made an unscheduled visit to the Daytona International Speedway for a photo op of the former mayor speeding in circles in his campaign bus around the racetrack inside the empty stadium, perhaps an almost too-perfect metaphor for his effort here. Wednesday in Estero, he even gave the impression of being bored with his own message. "I've given this lecture on leadership so many times, I could probably do it in my sleep," he said to laughter.

By evening, though, his campaign staged a rally that served as an unexpected counterpoint to the bad news. bout 1,000 people filled a plaza along the beach town of Naples' main street and crammed an adjacent Irish pub where Giuliani was just supposed to shake a few hands and make remarks. It turned out to be the largest, most welcoming crowd Giuliani drew all week, though a request for a show of hands from an introductory speaker revealed that a sizable portion was from New York — not Florida. Despite some testy feelings about a long wait, people cheered repeatedly and mobbed the restaurant to try to get to him. The enthusiasm had Giuliani unusually animated. He seemed to argue, without saying it directly, that the polling is bogus.

"We're going to surprise everyone," he shouted into a microphone, standing among the restaurants' outdoor tables. "And we're going to win big here. Florida is going to catapult us to the nomination because Florida is going to vote in a way that I think people don't even realize." Jennifer Loven reported from Naples, Fla.


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KEYWORDS: liberalgiuliani; liberalrudy; rinogiuliani; rinorudy
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Rudy's in no-man's land. His campaign went into a steep slide when investigations found that married Mayor Rooty was porking his mistress on the taxpayers' dime and hiding the theft of services in obscure city agencies.

His wife is a social-climbing wanabe who stalked the married Mayor at a cigar bar. She had already blown through a couple husbands........one of which she belatedly owned up to just last spring. Rooty did not even know about husband number one. That musta made interestng breakfast conversation when Rudy cracked open the morning papers.

Rooty's secrecy about his global business operations and his associations with mobbed-up Bernie Kerik (Rooty's former driver, bodyguard, Police Commissioner, business partner, failed Homeland nominee, admmitted felon and tax evader (in that order) who is under federal investigation for lying to the WH.

FREEPER STOCKTRADER sums it up. "Rudy's “campaign” will go down as one of the most inept in modern history. If he loses Florida--where he has virtually LIVED for the last few months--his campaign will have exceeded Howard Dean's when it comes to ineptitude (and Rudy didn't even have to scream. It will be the mismanagement standard.....and model.....for all future "how-NOT-to-run-a-campaign" strategies. After all, how many candidates have EVER blown a lead as big as the one he had??"

That analysis has gotta go into the political history books. Man, Rooty got piped but good.

Giuliani worships at the Church of Whatever Works For Me. He has no moral center, he has no spiritual fidelity, and is completely without political loyalty. Says he's "conservative" but sucked up to liberals, sought Liberal backing, and employed numerous Liberals as Mayor/candidate.

He worships abortion, gay rights, and gun grabbing----all completly against Republican principles. His most fervent wish is to religiously cleanse the party and dump so/cals off the party lifeboat.

Rudy can get on his knees and hail Beelzebub dawn til dusk-----that ain't gonna happen.

1 posted on 01/24/2008 8:01:10 AM PST by Liz
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To: Liz
Giuliani's Florida win appears in danger (Cali and NY slipping away)

Good. Get the pro-abort lib out of there.

2 posted on 01/24/2008 8:23:28 AM PST by Charles Henrickson (Will never vote for a pro-abort.)
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To: Liz

Good! I would love to see him finish worse than 3rd in FL. Unfortunately, it looks like McCain is the one profiting from Rudy’s demise. I refuse to vote for either one of them, and I don’t care who the Democrat is come fall.


3 posted on 01/24/2008 8:26:04 AM PST by penowa
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To: Liz

It’s gonna come down to a choice between Romney and McCain for the Repub nomination, and I just don’t see McCain beating Romney when all is said and done.

And I don’t see Hillary or Obama beating Romney either, once the general election campaign starts in earnest.


4 posted on 01/24/2008 8:26:50 AM PST by Maceman
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To: Maceman
and I just don’t see McCain beating Romney when all is said and done.,

I see it the exact opposite. If Rudy does not win Florida, that pretty much ends his campaign, reverting that all to McCain. McCain, in that case will win NY, NJ, and maybe California. Those are all super delegate states that will propel him to the front. He will be the defacto front runner. McCain and Rudy share many of the same voters, they can not both be viable, and I think vs Mitt, McCain has a much stronger advantage than Rudy does.

If Rudy does not win, I think it is over for everyone but McCain.

5 posted on 01/24/2008 8:32:53 AM PST by codercpc (On the day abortion becomes illegal, I want to Thank God, and not praise allah)
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To: Maceman
And I don’t see Hillary or Obama beating Romney either, once the general election campaign starts in earnest.

I disagree. Romney's poll numbers against Hillary or Obama are poor. He and Rudy now have the highest unfavorables among GOP candidates.

There is a lot of wishful thinking around here. A lot of talk that early poll numbers don't matter. It's not that early, folks. He's been around for a year already! Only 20% of voters have no opinion of him. As people have gotten to know him, some GOP voters have liked him better, but in the electorate as a whole, he has played more unfavorably than favorably.

Romney looks unelectable to me.

6 posted on 01/24/2008 8:37:14 AM PST by freespirited (Still a proud member of the Stupid Party. It beats the Evil Party any day of the week.)
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To: codercpc

I agree, it’s hard to see Rudy voters going to Romney, but OTOH, I am not sure Rudy will drop out if he loses FL (which I expect him to do). He’s stubborn, so he might hang in through Super Tuesday.


7 posted on 01/24/2008 8:39:56 AM PST by freespirited (Still a proud member of the Stupid Party. It beats the Evil Party any day of the week.)
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To: Liz

Draft Dick Cheney!


8 posted on 01/24/2008 8:47:48 AM PST by AZLiberty (President Fred -- I like the sound of it.)
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To: Liz

I haven’t lived in FL in6 yrs. Can any freepers down there tell me how Brevard county is leaning?


9 posted on 01/24/2008 8:49:09 AM PST by stuartcr (Election year.....Who we gonna hate, in '08?)
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To: freespirited

I disagree. The polls right now are meaningless. In a campaign between a decent man, and a evil tyrant Romney stands a chance of winning. And if he runs on conservative principles and articultates them forcefully, he wins in a landslide. Because the truth is on our side. Failure and a historyt of incompetence is on the side of the clinton’s.


10 posted on 01/24/2008 8:51:40 AM PST by mainerforglobalwarming
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To: Liz

Rudy and Huck are almost done. Wish Fred would have stayed in.


11 posted on 01/24/2008 8:57:18 AM PST by Free Vulcan (No prisoners. No mercy.)
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To: Liz

Rudy and Huck are almost done. Wish Fred would have stayed in.


12 posted on 01/24/2008 8:57:18 AM PST by Free Vulcan (No prisoners. No mercy.)
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To: mainerforglobalwarming

The polls are not meaningless. For one thing, they allow us to see trends. Those who refuse to see the problems with a Mitt candidacy simply will not face the facts: the trend line shows that over the course of a full year, as the public has been more and more exposed to him, his unfavorables have risen. As have the number of people who say they absolutely will not vote for him.

One has to have a compelling argument that this phenomenon will suddenly reverse itself. I have yet to hear it. If he changes what he has been saying for the past year, he is going to be even more vulnerable on the charges of flipflopping and inauthenticity.

A lot of people don’t like him. It’s a shame so many FReepers cannot acknowledge reality.


13 posted on 01/24/2008 8:59:42 AM PST by freespirited (Still a proud member of the Stupid Party. It beats the Evil Party any day of the week.)
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To: Free Vulcan; TommyDale
Rudy and Huck are almost done. Wish Fred would have stayed in.

Fred might be considered for VP or maybe the Cabinet.

14 posted on 01/24/2008 9:01:33 AM PST by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: freespirited
If Giuliani does not drop out after the FL primary, then the morning headline on Feb 6th will be “Mitt Takes Manhattan” with Rudy and McCain splitting the "moderate" vote.
15 posted on 01/24/2008 9:02:41 AM PST by Kuksool
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To: Liz
Next week at this time, this nightmare campaign will be all over for Rudy and he'll be back in Bernie's arms again.

Love conquers all!

16 posted on 01/24/2008 9:03:18 AM PST by tear gas (Because of the 22nd Amendment, we are losing President. Bush. Can we afford to lose him now?)
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To: Liz

The handle has been pushed and the turd is circling the bowl.


17 posted on 01/24/2008 9:03:43 AM PST by LiveFree99
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To: freespirited
In a head to head race with hillary Romeny stands as good a shot as any gop candidate to beat her. The phenomenon that you mention is the general campaign. One between a vicious evil person, and a decent man. One between someone that has never accomplished a damn in her life, and a man that was successful in the private sector. Put them head to head for a few months, in televised debates and he beats her. Plus, hillary’s campaign I believe is mortally wounded if Obama is not the veep. I think Romney if the nominee, will be an African-American to be his running mate. And in this scenario she’s toast.
18 posted on 01/24/2008 9:08:05 AM PST by mainerforglobalwarming
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To: LiveFree99

Heheh-—good one-—nice visual.


19 posted on 01/24/2008 9:09:45 AM PST by Liz (Rooty's not getting my guns or the name of my hairdresser.)
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To: freespirited
I definitly think he will stick it out through Super Tuesday, because he has way too much invested in those states not too. But I also think that it will be probably futile for him if he can't win Florida. I am thinking they are holding out hope that the early voting favors him, since he was down there encouraging his voters while everyone else was still in the early states. I also think that tonights debate could turn things around if he does well. He had a strong support before, that I think his voters are just gun shy based on his poll numbers sinking. If he could renew that promise to them, they may change their minds back to him. I think they went to McCain because of his electability based on his primary performances, so they could go back before Tuesday.

I also think that the polls may be off based on the early voting (up to 40% may have already voted), so exit polls, and such will be very far off.

20 posted on 01/24/2008 9:09:58 AM PST by codercpc (On the day abortion becomes illegal, I want to Thank God, and not praise allah)
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