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South Carolina Democrat Civil War/Primary Live Thread!
TCRLAF | 1-26-08 | TCRLAF

Posted on 01/26/2008 3:12:28 PM PST by tcrlaf

Come join us for the fun, as the Democratic Party implodes from within!!


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: clinton; clintonhatesblacks; democratplantation; demprimary; edwards; insanity; obama; racewar; sc2008
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1 posted on 01/26/2008 3:12:29 PM PST by tcrlaf
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To: tcrlaf

MSNBC is already dropping hints that the exit polling has “Very Interesting” numbers, and a couple of “real” surprises in them!

Hmmmm...

I wonder what THAT means?


2 posted on 01/26/2008 3:13:25 PM PST by tcrlaf (VOTE DEMOCRAT-You'll look great in a Burka!)
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To: tcrlaf

Hoping and praying the witch comes in third.


3 posted on 01/26/2008 3:14:28 PM PST by disraeligears (How was the CREAM Madison Square Garden Concert?)
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To: tcrlaf

It means that they are trying to get folks to tune in to shore up their ratings.


4 posted on 01/26/2008 3:14:38 PM PST by I_Like_Spam
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To: tcrlaf
Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton(C) chats with diners on primary day, at a Shoney's Restaurant in Columbia, South Carolina. Senator Barack Obama looked set for an invigorating victory over White House foe Clinton Saturday, in a South Carolina primary marred by race rows and bitter personal slurs.
5 posted on 01/26/2008 3:17:21 PM PST by TornadoAlley3 ( A liberal is one who lies about the past, and then tries to repeat it.)
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To: tcrlaf; All

CNN-90%m of South Carolina Dems believe the economy is “Bad” to “Poor”...

THE POWER OF PROPOGANDA....

Those of us that actually lived through the Carter years know what a “BAD” economy loks like, AND THIS ISN’T IT!!!


6 posted on 01/26/2008 3:18:12 PM PST by tcrlaf (VOTE DEMOCRAT-You'll look great in a Burka!)
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To: disraeligears

Hoping and praying the witch comes in third.

I am hoping and praying that she comes in first. Are you kidding? All we need is for Obama Mania to explode during the general and they we are all in trouble. Hillary has no possible chance to win the general.


7 posted on 01/26/2008 3:18:17 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: tcrlaf

it means Witch Hillary did better than expected or it means Clinton Inc cheated again


8 posted on 01/26/2008 3:18:48 PM PST by advertising guy (my Sleep Number Bed is 9..........................................Budweisers....)
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To: tcrlaf

Oh goody! Got cheese n crackers and iced tea:)


9 posted on 01/26/2008 3:19:20 PM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: tcrlaf; upchuck
thanks, for the tread..
Do ya have the POPCORN ready....Chuck? :)
11 posted on 01/26/2008 3:19:47 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (just b/c your paranoid, doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you. :^( FRed was LMSM roadkill)
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To: advertising guy

I didn’t know Clinton Inc. ever stopped cheating!


12 posted on 01/26/2008 3:20:27 PM PST by A. Morgan (CNN - the pantload Network. Tune in or Surf over and GET a pantload!)
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US Democratic presidential candidate Ilinois Senator Barack Obama greets people at Harper's restaurant in Columbia, South Carolina. Obama looked set for an invigorating victory over White House foe Hillary Clinton Saturday, in a South Carolina primary marred by race rows and bitter personal slurs.
13 posted on 01/26/2008 3:20:39 PM PST by TornadoAlley3 ( A liberal is one who lies about the past, and then tries to repeat it.)
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To: disraeligears
Hoping and praying the witch comes in third.

With single digits :o)

14 posted on 01/26/2008 3:20:51 PM PST by NautiNurse (Plants are people too)
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To: napscoordinator

No...

OBAMA needs to win this...

The Shadow Party Machine has FAR too much at stake to allow an uppity ... uh... upstart to win this thing.

If Obama wins, the dirt we have seen so far is going to be CHILD’S PLAY. The Clinton’s will drag the Party down in flames, rather than admit defeat.


15 posted on 01/26/2008 3:21:06 PM PST by tcrlaf (VOTE DEMOCRAT-You'll look great in a Burka!)
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To: tcrlaf

Why haven’t they called the results yet?

The’re slaking!


16 posted on 01/26/2008 3:21:21 PM PST by Syncro
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To: Baynative

...its’ that the truth. :)


17 posted on 01/26/2008 3:22:01 PM PST by skinkinthegrass (just b/c your paranoid, doesn't mean they're NOT out to get you. :^( FRed was LMSM roadkill)
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To: A. Morgan

ditto that..if Bill was in a hospital on oxygen and the room was semi private, he would inhale the other patients air while he slept.


18 posted on 01/26/2008 3:22:02 PM PST by advertising guy (my Sleep Number Bed is 9..........................................Budweisers....)
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To: tcrlaf

Well- by listening to Howard Fineman- it sounds as though voters aren’t too thrilled with the way Hillary has behaved..

Might be good for Obama..


19 posted on 01/26/2008 3:23:04 PM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/01/live-blogging-s.html

6:15 pm: A few more interesting notes — the economy is far and away the No. 1 issue about S.C. Democrats — not surprising in a state that’s been battered by lost jobs in the manufacturing/textile sectors. And more than half of today’s voters are saying they’re looking primarily for a candidate who can “bring about needed change.”

6:11 pm: EXIT POLL INFO: Preliminary exit poll results indicate what our smart people are calling a “very large turnout” among African-American voters — definitely more than 50 percent of voters in South Carolina are black, according to the early numbers, compared to 47 percent in 2004, and 43 percent in 1992. There’s also heavy turnout among female voters, who are making up about 6 in 10 S.C. voters.

From ABC polling director Gary Langer: “Two groups that have been heavily courted in the run-up to today’s South Carolina Democratic primary – women and African-Americans – are turning out in large numbers today. Preliminary exit poll results indicate that just over half are blacks this year; if that holds in final data later tonight, it would be the highest turnout among African-Americans in any Democratic presidential primary at least since 1984.”

6:08 pm: I figured someone would ask what the spread is, after I said Obama has to beat it. . . . Sorry to disappoint, but . . . we’ll know it when we see it. If Clinton keeps it close, it’s well within the margin of spinnability, as molded by the expectations game. If it’s a romp, that could swamp even the best spinmeisters in the business — including the pros inside Clinton’s shop.

5:52 pm: One game tonight — how well does Edwards need to do to avoid embarrassment? He can’t afford another 4 percent showing, like he had in Nevada. Does he exceed expectations if he’s in double digits? Maybe — but would that change anything? Remember, he’s unlikely to have conditions this favorable again: He was born in S.C., and won the state in ‘04. Would second place be an achievement? Surely, yes — enough for him to go on to Feb. 5. But even then, where’s the argument for him going forward? As he is himself acknowledging, he needs to start winning some contests.

5:20 pm: Mark (and others who are interested) — the Edwards campaign has indeed responded. This from Edwards campaign manager David Bonior: “Seems as though the prohibitive frontrunner sees John Edwards as a threat her becoming the nominee and that’s why they’re resorting to false, underhanded tactics to attack John Edwards’ message of fighting for whose who are too often not heard in Washington.”

5:10 pm: It may go without saying, but the most important thing to watch tonight in the exit polls will be the split between black and white voters. In the easiest manner of thinking, a high proportion of black voters means a big night for Obama, a low proportion — something less than that.

4:57 pm: So the most buzz out there on primary day isn’t about the spat between Clinton and Obama — it’s about one between Clinton and Edwards. The Clinton campaign waited for election day (or maybe the day before) to bring out this robocall, slamming Edwards on trade and his work for a hedge fund.

An excerpt, courtesy of ABC’s Raelyn Johnson: “Hello, This is the Hillary Clinton for President campaign. Before you vote on Saturday, you should know that John Edwards voted for permanent trade relations with China. That’s right, John Edwards voted for the bill that cost thousands of jobs. Like the ones in the textile mills he talks about so much down here. You should also know that John Edwards made nearly a half a million dollars working for a Wall Street investment fund. A fund that’s been profiting on foreclosing on the homes of families; including 100 homes right here in South Carolina. . . . Can you trust John Edwards? This call is paid for by the Hillary Clinton for President Campaign.”

This speaks to a fascinating (if under-covered) dynamic of the closing days of the campaign. Recent polls have shown Obama slipping among white voters in S.C. — but his support is going to Edwards, not Clinton. A robocall like this suggests that the Clinton campaign sees Edwards as a threat, or at least that his voters are “gettable” for her.

4:45 pm ET: Interesting tidbit, courtesy of ABC’s Sarah Amos, who’s been covering Bill Clinton: “My message has been 99.9 percent positive for 100 percent of the campaign,” the former president said today in South Carolina.

This is a claim that’s possible to fact-check (would you count up the words he’s spoken over the past year?). But it strains credulity for the former president to claim that he’s been almost exclusively — save for .1 percent of the time — a force in favor of his wife. Certainly if you look at volumes of news coverage dedicated to what he’s said on the trail, it’s just not the case — and Bill Clinton KNOWS that he can drive news coverage with attacks on Barack Obama. You can say what you will about whether the attacks are in bounds — John Kerry and a host of other Obama defenders think they aren’t. But now the president is claiming that the attacks didn’t happen?


Rick Klein from ABC’s The Note here, live-blogging the Democratic primary results out of South Carolina. I hope and trust you’re up for another fun Saturday night of politics.

Some thoughts as we wait for exit polls and polling results to come in . . .

As I discussed in this morning’s Note, Barack Obama has really been boxed in by the successful expectations-setting of the Clinton campaign. He needs not only to win, but to cover the spread — and to do it with a sufficient number of white voters so that he doesn’t become the “black candidate” moving forward. Already, Camp Clinton is stirring up some mischief in Florida, accusing Obama of ignoring a key swing state (one that just happens to vote on Tuesday) — even though both Clinton and Obama made a pledge not to campaign in Florida, to preserve the special status of four early-voting states. And John Edwards? He needs something dramatic tonight, otherwise the countdown will start on him making a Very Big Decision about the future of his candidacy.

But it’s easy to lose sight of the big picture. As Hillary Clinton has learned (to her benefit) of late, a win is a win. Her campaign has NOT written off South Carolina, even though she’s spent much of the week elsewhere. And a win by Obama today will ensure that this race will go on for a while.


20 posted on 01/26/2008 3:24:28 PM PST by TornadoAlley3 ( A liberal is one who lies about the past, and then tries to repeat it.)
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Here’s more evidence of the Democrats’ uneasiness with the Clintons..


22 posted on 01/26/2008 3:25:09 PM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Is that man choking on his food?


23 posted on 01/26/2008 3:26:31 PM PST by monkeyshine
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To: NautiNurse

I smell something here..I watched CNN,pMSLSD et al and they hint the strengths of blacks as leaders in the super tuesday acomin’ Also said in response to Kerry calling BJ a liar, Bj said,for what ?............That for what seemed to be a hurdle for the Clintons . HMMMMMMMMMMMMMM


24 posted on 01/26/2008 3:26:50 PM PST by advertising guy (my Sleep Number Bed is 9..........................................Budweisers....)
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To: tcrlaf
I still say that the McCain crossover vote in our primary last week was not as high as in 2000 but still a drain on Democrat votes. I think it will hurt Obama the most and Edwards to a lesser degree.

Expect many complaints from “disenfranchised” voters who didn’t realize ( read morons ) if they voted last week they can’t this week.

25 posted on 01/26/2008 3:27:20 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: tcrlaf

Live-Blogging S.C. Democratic Primary Results by Rick Klein

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6:15 pm: A few more interesting notes — the economy is far and away the No. 1 issue about S.C. Democrats — not surprising in a state that’s been battered by lost jobs in the manufacturing/textile sectors. And more than half of today’s voters are saying they’re looking primarily for a candidate who can “bring about needed change.”

6:11 pm: EXIT POLL INFO: Preliminary exit poll results indicate what our smart people are calling a “very large turnout” among African-American voters — definitely more than 50 percent of voters in South Carolina are black, according to the early numbers, compared to 47 percent in 2004, and 43 percent in 1992. There’s also heavy turnout among female voters, who are making up about 6 in 10 S.C. voters.


26 posted on 01/26/2008 3:27:29 PM PST by Aria (NO RAPIST ENABLER FOR PRESIDENT!!!)
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To: SE Mom

Howard said way more than that.He was looking WAY ahead to black strenghts in the super...........


27 posted on 01/26/2008 3:28:04 PM PST by advertising guy (my Sleep Number Bed is 9..........................................Budweisers....)
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To: SE Mom

OOps- I forgot to post the link...duuhh..

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1960088/posts


28 posted on 01/26/2008 3:28:13 PM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: tcrlaf
I’m tired of the phony sideshow. Hillary will be the nominee. Obama is not ready for prime time (hopefully for America, he never will be).
29 posted on 01/26/2008 3:28:35 PM PST by isrul
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To: napscoordinator
Well...I hope the *itch comes in a far distant third place, that she and her bullying old husband are once and for all, put out to pasture.

We can worry about the general when it comes time to worry about the general.

30 posted on 01/26/2008 3:28:46 PM PST by top 2 toe red (Politics are about compromise, not about getting everything you want.... Truthsearcher)
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To: monkeyshine

I really want Clinton to win! I believe that Clinton would be MUCH easier to defeat b/c she is a bitch, has a very liberal record, and is not well liked. Furthermore, I don’t know how many Americans want this Bush/Clinton oligarchy to continue.

Go Hitlary!


31 posted on 01/26/2008 3:29:22 PM PST by conservativeinferno (My SUV is the urban squirrel's worst predator.)
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Democratic presidential candidate Senator Hillary Clinton (D-NY) is interviewed at a campaign stop at a Shoney's Restaurant in Columbia, South Carolina January 26,2008.
32 posted on 01/26/2008 3:29:38 PM PST by TornadoAlley3 ( A liberal is one who lies about the past, and then tries to repeat it.)
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To: monkeyshine

“Its the Big One!”


33 posted on 01/26/2008 3:29:45 PM PST by RatsDawg (www.rootforamerica.com David Huckabee Killed My Dog!)
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To: tcrlaf
This says about all that needs to be said:

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This from South Carolina.

34 posted on 01/26/2008 3:30:13 PM PST by engrpat
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To: TornadoAlley3

Man...she looks ANCIENT!


35 posted on 01/26/2008 3:31:16 PM PST by Aria (NO RAPIST ENABLER FOR PRESIDENT!!!)
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Former President, Bill Clinton signs the shirt of Lori Stiles during a campaign stop for his wife Hillary Clinton in Greenville, S.C., Saturday, Jan. 26, 2008.
36 posted on 01/26/2008 3:31:51 PM PST by TornadoAlley3 ( A liberal is one who lies about the past, and then tries to repeat it.)
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To: tcrlaf

Go Hillary!


37 posted on 01/26/2008 3:32:15 PM PST by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: advertising guy

This is going to be interesting...

Exit polls - Keith isn’t going to let them out yet.

If they’re saying there are surprises in the polls- I’m betting Obamam gets more white votes than was predicted.


38 posted on 01/26/2008 3:32:24 PM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: tcrlaf

An old friend I keep in touch with very often works for the Obama campaign in S.C....

Keep note on this...he said a total landslide for Obama tonight. People came out in full force and that many people were planning to vote Hillary as late as last week.

Bill has done damage folks...this is going to be a massive smack down.


39 posted on 01/26/2008 3:33:32 PM PST by My Favorite Headache (No One Gets To Their Heaven Without A Fight)
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To: tcrlaf

CNN-90%m of South Carolina Dems believe the economy is “Bad” to “Poor”...

THE POWER OF PROPOGANDA....

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and lack of intelligence of South Carolina Dems. Your economy will be poor if you decide not to be a producer.


40 posted on 01/26/2008 3:34:41 PM PST by Son House (Protection For Opportunity Seekers And Tax Payers From Congress Spending: Low Tax Rates !!!)
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To: tcrlaf
ABC News: "Preliminary exit poll results indicate that just over half [of primary voters] are blacks this year; if that holds in final data later tonight, it would be the highest turnout among African-Americans in any Democratic presidential primary at least since 1984"

Possible bad news for Hillary, unless her people have done their magic on the election machines

41 posted on 01/26/2008 3:35:03 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Hillary: "Hey home, I can dig it. You know he ain't gonna lay no mo' big rap up on you man."


42 posted on 01/26/2008 3:35:34 PM PST by COBOL2Java (May the Lord bless and keep Hillary Clinton - far away from the White House!)
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To: SE Mom

well finally figgerd it out.............Hillary got creamed and they are trying to see ,politically,where to drop blame.......him or her.............but Buchannan just showed his nassty racism...............
....keep in mind they know the #’s right now...........Buchannan said....this SC thing aint nothin.
......said ( W/O proof) ..Hillary will sweep the super.

A black president scares hell outta Buchannan


43 posted on 01/26/2008 3:35:40 PM PST by advertising guy (my Sleep Number Bed is 9..........................................Budweisers....)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Wow...fascinating.

This would mean lots of white voters...


44 posted on 01/26/2008 3:36:22 PM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Fox is teasing that Ms. Hillary may come in THIRD. If that is the case, this race will get so dirty that the Clinton’s will destroy the party.

This should get quite interesting.


45 posted on 01/26/2008 3:36:29 PM PST by Laverne
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To: SE Mom

Word from my friend who works on the Obama campaign says something to the effect that 83%-85% of all blacks showed up for Obama today. Some 25% of white women voted Obama and nearly 28% of white men voted Obama.

Rumor has it in his camp that Edwards might come in 2nd tonight...he has pulled in better than expected.


46 posted on 01/26/2008 3:36:33 PM PST by My Favorite Headache (No One Gets To Their Heaven Without A Fight)
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

the McCain crossover vote

Obama supporters thinking he was sure to win, now have to sweat Clinton getting ahead.


47 posted on 01/26/2008 3:37:22 PM PST by Son House (Protection For Opportunity Seekers And Tax Payers From Congress Spending: Low Tax Rates !!!)
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To: My Favorite Headache

Hope that you are right about the massive smack down.


48 posted on 01/26/2008 3:37:42 PM PST by BillF (Fight terrorists in Iraq & elsewhere, instead of waiting for them to come to America!)
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To: tcrlaf
CNN-90%m of South Carolina Dems believe the economy is “Bad” to “Poor”... THE POWER OF PROPOGANDA.... Those of us that actually lived through the Carter years know what a “BAD” economy loks like, AND THIS ISN’T IT!!!

The sheeple being led by their MSM shepherds.

49 posted on 01/26/2008 3:37:43 PM PST by Mad_Tom_Rackham (Elections have consequences.)
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To: My Favorite Headache

I doubt it will matter tonight results..by convention time the witch will get the superdelegates to give her the nomination


50 posted on 01/26/2008 3:38:13 PM PST by Sammie42
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