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To: Waryone
So now you've outed yourself as pro-abortion. You've already outed yourself as pro-gay. Why are you here? Have you read the front page of this site where it states what kind of forum this is? If all Romney supporters are like you, I can guarantee he won't be many evangelical votes and you are not helping his case whatsoever.

This is the kind of crap that makes conservatives look like blithering idiots.

You want to start calling people with 30+ years in the pro-life movement "pro-abortion" because they understand the realities of the situation, and what it will take to end the slaughter? Go ahead, but you only make yourself a fool.

Mitt Romney is not pro-choice. But you know that Rudy IS pro-choice, and there were pro-life people ENDORSING him, so your wild claim about what "pro-life" people will do is without foundation.

Mitt Romney is a latecomer to the pro-life movement, but he is pro-life. You could say you don't TRUST him, but it is simply false to label him as not pro-life at this point.

Those of us who have fought abortion since we were kids know that we need at least one, and maybe two, more judges before we can do ANYTHING to stop the slaughter.

Ignorant pro-lifers who seem to think this is some game or some political purity test could well have cost us the judges we needed.

The only reason that doesn't make me despair is that God is in control, even of the idiots who cut off their noses to spite their faces.

As to your other ignorant comments about gays, the conservative movement is not about being anti-gay. It is about not giving gays or other "lifestyle minorities" special treatment, or damaging the basic foundations of society.

Government has never been about enforcing moral codes. Further, I'll believe that the anti-gay advocates here are truly just worried about our moral teachings when I see them push to kick adulterers and fornicators and those who visit prostitutes out of the military, and ban people who cheat on their wives or live with a woman outside of marriage from participating in the boy scouts.

Until then, the idea that I should cow-tow to people who are "afraid" that some guy is looking at them in a shower is absurd. I am quite comfortable with both my own sexuality, my own security, and my own relationship with the creator to not worry about what some pervert is doing.

Apparently, the common-sense command to "hate the sin, love the sinner" has been lost on a few vocal people in our conservative movement.

Meanwhile, Huckabee, our most "anti-gay" candidate, still sees fit to have relationship with some gay people, even having one on his campaign.

I never supported Romney because he was the most conservative, or even because I trusted him completely on anything. It was a simple practical decision -- Romney ADOPTED my point of view on a host of issues, and was electable, or at least looked electable.

Frankly, if Romney can't get 50% of republicans, he's not as electable as I had hoped. He's more electable than Fred THompson, but I had hoped Fred would be electable and he turned out not to be.

So the purists who now speak of purging and absolutism never offered us any other choice. The darling of conservatives, Duncan Hunter, says that Huckabee is the man we should support. The other darling of conservatives, Tancredo, says Romney. Thompson hasn't said, but he would probably be voting for McCain, and Giuliani certainly is.

So I'm tired of purists who had no viable candidate, who can't get anybody who is acceptable to them to run and get votes, telling the rest of us that "conservatives" wont' accept this or that. Romney was not beaten by "conservatives" who picked a more conservative person.

Romney was beaten in a race with McCain, Giuliani, and Huckabee.

And McCain got the most votes. Someone that nobody around here is calling a solid conservative. Someone who is RUNNING on a moderate platform.

So don't tell me what "conservatives" will accept. We have a republican party, and it's looking like Romney was TOO CONSERVATIVE for it.

3,392 posted on 01/29/2008 10:44:25 PM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I think that the vast numbers of Republicans, especially those that don’t call themselves Conservative with a capital c, looked at McCain and Romney and decided that (due to the media glorification as much as anything else) McCain was the more “Republican.” Besides, he had to wait for Bush and now it’s “his turn.” Sometimes I don’t think the Republican “Great Unwashed Masses” can think any more than the Democrat sheep.


3,395 posted on 01/29/2008 10:50:21 PM PST by Ingtar (Thompson - delegates, Huckabee - brokered, Keyes - Only C left. Which one on 2/5?)
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To: CharlesWayneCT
Something about his legacy of $50.00 abortions on demand. I don't trust him. You feel better now.

Perhaps in where you live it is harder to deal with the situation. I understand that. But I have not caved like a pragmatic cynic. 'Oh there's nothing we can do. So let's just take what we can get.' That's so 1940's through 1970's republican party. Speak the truth, stand up for what is right. Take what you can get. But never, never, never, never, never give in to evil.

Winston Churchill said,

"Never give in, never give in, never; never; never; never - in nothing, great or small, large or petty - never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense”
Nothing is more honorable than protecting those innocent and incapable of defending themselves. It sounds like some may have forgotten this and have given in. I feel sorry for anyone who has.

Mitt says he's not pro-choice now, but he certainly cannot say he is pro-life now with his legacy of $50.00 abortions for any reason on demand in his Mitt spun version of Hillary care.

And I'll worry about the fornicators and prostitutes when I see them parading down the streets screaming at the top of their lungs that they should be specially protected groups deserving more rights than other citizens. I'll protest them when they get invited into classrooms to teach their trade to five year olds.

The sodomites can do what they want in their own homes. I'm glad to see you finally realize they shouldn't be given special rights no matter what Mitt thinks. Loving the sinner does not mean loving what they do. It does not mean allowing children to be defiled by them physically or emotionally. I pity you if you don't understand this.

Huckabee is another one of the four libs that dominate the republican party now. Don't worry, I won't tell you what a conservative is. When I lived in NY, I didn't know what conservative was either. There are so many liberals running around today I'm not surprised you think your lib ideas are conservative. But there are republicans who think as you do, so maybe you're confusing conservative with republican.

Romney's money and his lies have gotten him this far. If he had been a true conservative not a liberal like his parents, he would have done better. But he's not conservative. If he had just said yeah, I know my record is liberal and I have some liberal ideas. Maybe someone would have thought, well at least he's honest. But he could not do that. His lying about Reagan by saying he was pro-choice. Lying when the truth would have served him better (seeing his father and MLK). Lying by saying he was a conservative and his Mass record is not conservative, was too much for reasonable people to stomach and with people covering for him by saying it was Massachusetts that did it, the trashing of true conservatives, and his numerous liberal supporters, did not help him one bit.

He may get a chance to prove himself over the next four years. If he works diligently for conservative causes, over that time, perhaps it will be different. But he would have us believe what he is saying now is true, all the while knowing that what he has said and done in the recent past contradicts it. That's not good enough.

From what you have written I can see that you do not even have a conservative view of the world. The lib thought will do that to you. I hope some day you will find what it is like where people look to one another for help, not the govt. Where self control is prized above wanton license. It is getting harder to find these places now, so many lib are trying to escape the prisons of their own making that they come down and spread their liberal brain disorders where ever they go.

I am glad that you understand that the Lord is in control. I know that as long as we are on the Lord's side, it really does not matter what the world thinks or does. The Lord is the one who moves men's hearts. We do what is right regardless. To be friends with this world and it's ways is to make yourself God's enemy.

3,421 posted on 01/30/2008 12:05:16 AM PST by Waryone
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To: CharlesWayneCT
This is one of the most impressive, intelligent and true-to-the-bone posts I have ever read on this site...I agree with every single word you have written!!!

It should be required reading for every so-called Conservative republican bragging about their litmus test/laundry list of requirements that must be met before a candidate can receive their piously self-righteous support!

{{{{Applause, Applause}}}}

3,462 posted on 01/30/2008 9:55:12 AM PST by top 2 toe red (Politics are about compromise, not about getting everything you want.... Truthsearcher)
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