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The Base is Wrong About the Gang of 14
American Thinker ^ | January 30, 2008 | Richard Baehr

Posted on 01/30/2008 7:19:07 AM PST by ECM

When conservatives lay out their long list of apostasies committed by John McCain, one of them is always his role in the Gang of 14, the 7 Democrats and 7 Republicans in the Senate who agreed to a judicial compromise in 2005. The deal that was struck eliminated the use of the "nuclear option" by the then-GOP-controlled Senate, and also limited the Democratic minority's ability to use the filibuster to block certain judicial nominees (at the time the deal was stuck, there were no pending Supreme Court nominations, only Appellate Court nominations were being held up).

To put it plainly, the critics of the deal are flat out wrong. Conservatives should thank John McCain and the other Senators who were part of the Gang of 14 for getting three Appeals Court nominees who had been held up, Janice Rogers Brown, William Pryor, and Priscilla Owen, approved quickly and Brett Kavanaugh approved a bit later, and for Samuel Alito making it onto the Supreme Court without a filibuster blocking his way. And they should thank John McCain for preserving for the Republican Party the use of the filibuster on judicial nominations that might be made by a Democratic President beginning in 2009 or later.

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 109th; 110th; confirmation; gangof14; judges; mccain; rinos; supremecourt
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I don't agree with this assessment (some of the criticisms of which, he does cite), but food for thought.
1 posted on 01/30/2008 7:19:08 AM PST by ECM
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To: ECM

Sorry, no sale.

I’ll vote third party or write-in before I vote for that treacherous Left-pandering creep.


2 posted on 01/30/2008 7:21:12 AM PST by Westbrook
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To: ECM
To put it plainly, the critics of the deal are flat out wrong.

Just another wrong opinion.

3 posted on 01/30/2008 7:23:40 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: ECM
And they should thank John McCain for preserving for the Republican Party the use of the filibuster on judicial nominations that might be made by a Democratic President beginning in 2009 or later.

I suppose we should also thank him for amnesty and CFR. No thanks, not buying what they're selling.
4 posted on 01/30/2008 7:23:49 AM PST by JamesP81 ("I am against "zero tolerance" policies. It is a crutch for idiots." --FReeper Tenacious 1)
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To: Westbrook

Ditto.


5 posted on 01/30/2008 7:24:09 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Westbrook

We’re down to four treacherous left wing creeps to choose from and they’re all about the same.


6 posted on 01/30/2008 7:24:24 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (And close the damned borders!)
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To: Westbrook

It appears that a lot of Thinkers are in the tank or on their knees for McCain.


7 posted on 01/30/2008 7:25:01 AM PST by stockpirate ("A nation that does not honor it's warriors will be defeated by one that does")
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To: ECM
John McCain and the gang of fourteen did not do what they did to help America, they did it to increase their own power.

And in doing so they stabbed the President in the back and took a pee on conservatives everywhere.

The same bunch of scum tried to push through Shamnesty for illegals...remember that thinker?

If you vote for McCain it will be on your head too.

8 posted on 01/30/2008 7:25:05 AM PST by DainBramage
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To: ECM

Richard Baehr you ca go sell crazy some place else, we’re all stocked up here!


9 posted on 01/30/2008 7:25:37 AM PST by A. Morgan (VOTE McCain n' WE'LL BE UP TO OUR NECKS IN ILLEGALS!)
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To: zebrahead

The Gang of 14 criticism of McCain would actually make sense if a negative result had actually occurred. It did not. It actually succeeded in getting two Supremes and several appeals court judges onto the bench without being filibustered. People on here and on talk radio were salivating at the prospect of a showdown over judges and using the nuclear option to force the Dems’ hand. The Gang of 14 allowed us to get what we wanted and not be responsible for breaking precedent by going nuclear. Bill Frist also deserves a ton of credit. His saber-rattling with the nuclear option made the moderate Dems more willing to go against the possibility of a filibuster that Reid and Schumer wanted to use.

Being critical of McCain over the Gang of 14 is much ado about nothing, in my opinion.


10 posted on 01/30/2008 7:25:52 AM PST by zebrahead
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To: ECM

Sorry, I will never agree with his premise.


11 posted on 01/30/2008 7:26:06 AM PST by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: ECM
I would have liked to see a leader in the senate that said you want to filibuster then filibuster.
You keep talking 24/7 until you bleed out from your calves if thats what it takes.

Filibustering is not tag team 20 minutes at a time. But we get JM who compromises yet again...and again...and again...siding with the dems.

Compromise is not leadership.

12 posted on 01/30/2008 7:26:37 AM PST by svcw (The main thing is to keep the main thing the main thing.)
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To: ECM

“whatever”


13 posted on 01/30/2008 7:26:42 AM PST by JFC (I am now a MITTEN)
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To: holdonnow

Have at it:)


14 posted on 01/30/2008 7:27:20 AM PST by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: ECM

How many unfilled openings are there right now on federal courts?!


15 posted on 01/30/2008 7:27:25 AM PST by pookie18 (Of course I'm voting for the Republican nominee!)
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To: ECM

Looks like me and the Maytag repair guy will be pretty lonely on November 4 as we both sit home with nothing to do.


16 posted on 01/30/2008 7:27:26 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: ECM

The trouble is, next year Harry Reid and his apparatchiks will ram through majority votes on liberal activist judges blowing through filibusters set up by GOP. Make book This will take place next year in a Hillarita or Hussein kleptocracy. Won’t the GOP’s adherance to rules and form look pretty stupid?


17 posted on 01/30/2008 7:28:06 AM PST by slapshot (""USAF- when you absolutely, positively need it delivered on target, on time, right away)
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To: Westbrook

I personally despise Jaun McCain for a whole host of reasons, but the “Gang of 14” is not one of them. If we get Hillary or Obama nominating Supreme Court Justices I think we will be glad we still have the fillibuster option. By the way. Is it just me or is Mitch McConnel doing a really good job as Sen, Minority Leader? Seems to me he gets the upper hand on American Gothic model Harry Reid just about every time. Way better than old Ironhair ever was IMHO.


18 posted on 01/30/2008 7:28:19 AM PST by csmusaret (John McCain is a self rightous little prick.)
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To: ECM
I've always said there was an argument that could be made for the benefit of the Gang of 14 tactic, although I would have preferred to have gone with the Constitutional Option and cram it down the dims' throats. Hell, you'll never see the Pubbie minority use the filibuster anyway, and if they did (which they won't) the dims would just steamroll them.

As to the other of McCain's many sins, there are no excuses. He is a suck-up-to-the-media, suck-up-to-the-libs, anti-GOP, anti-Conservative charlatan on many, many counts.

19 posted on 01/30/2008 7:28:32 AM PST by San Jacinto
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To: Westbrook

I’m with you and so are all my conservative Republican associates. None of them like McCain and won’t vote for him. No sale here as well!!!!!!!!


20 posted on 01/30/2008 7:28:39 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: ECM
"Richard Baehr , a healthcare management consultant, is the president of Richard A. Baehr & Associates.

He serves as an expert witness in healthcare litigation cases including regulatory appeals, bankruptcy proceedings, valuations and antitrust matters.

A speaker and writer on the subject of the Middle East, he has served as education director for AIPAC in Illinois and is on AIPAC’s National Executive Committee.

He works with several members of the U.S. Senate and the House of Representatives on matters relating to the Middle East."


I really like "expert" witnesses.

I mean I really, really like them.

21 posted on 01/30/2008 7:28:43 AM PST by G.Mason (And what is intelligence if not the craft of out-thinking our adversaries?)
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To: Westbrook

“I’ll vote third party or write-in before I vote for that treacherous Left-pandering creep.”

Agreed. Thought I’d write in Thompson’s name, but am thinking about voting Constitution Party.


22 posted on 01/30/2008 7:28:52 AM PST by MayflowerMadam
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To: ECM

Here comes the sell. Don’t trust your own eyes...suck it up and vote McCain...don’t waste your vote...he is too a conservative...(did I miss any??).


23 posted on 01/30/2008 7:29:40 AM PST by AD from SpringBay (We deserve the government we allow.)
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To: ECM

Apparently Mr. Baehr thinks the democrats in control of a new Senate alongside a democrat president will leave the rules intact. It’s a rule change the dems won’t think twice about making to take a filibuster from the hands of Republicans. Dems play hardball for keeps and they know their strongest allies in government are activists liberals in the judiciary.


24 posted on 01/30/2008 7:30:06 AM PST by Sgt_Schultze
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To: ECM

Okay, so even if he isn’t to blame about the Gang of 14, that still doesn’t excuse the rather long laundry list of reasons why I’d never vote for the man. Are we really going to have to endure 10 months of apologists trying to erase 10 years of McCain’s attempts to undermine the party? That’s just sad.


25 posted on 01/30/2008 7:30:36 AM PST by VegasBaby (No way to McStain)
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To: csmusaret

'Ol Ironhair

26 posted on 01/30/2008 7:30:49 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: ECM

Filibustering Executive appointments is a misuse of Senate rules that result in a violation of the Constitutional requirement for the Senate to Advise & Consent.

Once again, McCain stood on the side of a violation of the Constitution.

I will never vote for him. Never.


27 posted on 01/30/2008 7:31:07 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: Obadiah

That’s the one. LOL.


28 posted on 01/30/2008 7:32:17 AM PST by csmusaret (John McCain is a self rightous little prick.)
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To: Obadiah
HAIRWARS!


29 posted on 01/30/2008 7:33:41 AM PST by Vasilli22
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To: ECM

I’ve never quite figured out what the issue was with the ‘gang of 14’. Seemed like it accomplished some good to me. So what was the problem with it?


30 posted on 01/30/2008 7:34:30 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: csmusaret

Lay down with dogs — get up with fleas.


31 posted on 01/30/2008 7:35:00 AM PST by longun45 (There is no difference between a republocrat and a demican, time to kick them both out.)
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To: ECM; All

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120146652798920519.html?mod=opinion_journal_political_diary

“Mr. McCain bruised his standing with conservatives on the issue when in 2005 he became a key player in the so-called gang of 14, which derailed an effort to end Democratic filibusters of Bush judicial nominees. More recently, Mr. McCain has told conservatives he would be happy to appoint the likes of Chief Justice John Roberts to the Supreme Court. But he indicated he might draw the line on a Samuel Alito, because “he wore his conservatism on his sleeve.”


32 posted on 01/30/2008 7:35:11 AM PST by AuntB (" DON'T LET THE PRESS PICK YOUR CANDIDATE!" Mrs. Duncan Hunter 1/5/08)
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To: ECM

Republicans had the majority, they should have used the nuclear option early. To paraphrase from Mdm. Pilosi “that’s what happens when you win elections.”


33 posted on 01/30/2008 7:35:40 AM PST by MatD
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...Conservatives should thank John McCain and the other Senators who were part of the Gang of 14...

Thank you very much, you provided my answer. I don't want to belong to any party /organization that think like you do! Which means, if you are a 'conservative,' then, I don't want to be one!

There is a principle here more important to me than any other: LOYALTY. I could never TRUST anyone who pretends to be one of ours, but in pratice is nothing else than a surrogate for the other side.


34 posted on 01/30/2008 7:36:01 AM PST by ElPatriota (Duncan Hunter 08 -- I am proud to support this man as my president)
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To: ECM

Glad to see them catching up with what I posted last December:

“I’d also note Mccain didn’t stop Bush from getting his judges. That was at a total impasse before Mccain and others acted to prevent the republicans from stupidly jumping off a cliff without a parachute by using the nuke option. Only after that did Bush nominees begin to again pass the senate. No Gang of 14, no Roberts and Alito.

Had the nuke option passed, the dems today would have nothing to prevent them from doing as they wished. The last year would have been very different.”


35 posted on 01/30/2008 7:36:29 AM PST by tlb
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To: csmusaret
If we get Hillary or Obama nominating Supreme Court Justices I think we will be glad we still have the fillibuster option.

If the Republicans even look like they're thinking about using the filibuster (highly doubtful), the Democrats will nuke it without a moment's hesitation. All the Gang of 14 did was leave the option there for the Democrats, while holding up as many of Bush's appointees as humanly possible.

36 posted on 01/30/2008 7:36:42 AM PST by WhistlingPastTheGraveyard (former republican)
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To: Westbrook

Huh? He wasn't saying vote for McCain, just saying to any who gripe about "gang of 14", they should scratch that one off the list. That is a bit different, isn't it?

37 posted on 01/30/2008 7:37:00 AM PST by BlueDragon
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com

“We’re down to four treacherous left wing creeps to choose from and they’re all about the same.”

i dont think they are quite the same
if you use ACU rankings McCain gets a lifetime 82.6 and 2006 65
while Clinton gets a 9
big difference on those scores


38 posted on 01/30/2008 7:38:14 AM PST by DM1
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To: ECM

IMO, it’s big-time toilet bowl time for our country, our futures, our security, and our freedoms as they are about to be flushed. Pathetically, our ancestors are turning in their graves at this disgraceful election. The duped American people have been brainwashed thanks to Liberals and the MSM. Unfortunately, it’s going to get very very bad before anyone wakes up. Pray for all of us, our children, and grandchildren. Hopefully, we can turn it around once the American people realize they’ve been brainwashed and lied to.


39 posted on 01/30/2008 7:38:19 AM PST by ExTexasRedhead
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To: ECM
thank John McCain for preserving for the Republican Party the use of the filibuster on judicial nominations that might be made by a Democratic President beginning in 2009 or later

Sure as heck, that was Big John's intent from the very beginning......../sarc

40 posted on 01/30/2008 7:38:23 AM PST by Hot Tabasco
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To: ECM

If I could speak spanish I would tell you in spanish, NO I WONT! Now that McCain needs us, its our turn to show him how we can be mavericks.

He won’t get to the WH with my help.


41 posted on 01/30/2008 7:40:00 AM PST by dforest (Don't even ask me to vote for McCain, Rudy, or Huckster.)
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To: ECM

McCain has been stabbing conservatives in the back for years. Now he wants our support? I can’t say what I’d like to say, in polite company here, but suffice to say all I can muster is one long stream of curse words - many of them new and original and which I have invented just for McLame.


42 posted on 01/30/2008 7:40:26 AM PST by Boagenes (I'm your huckleberry, that's just my game.)
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To: DM1

Either of the lousy RINOS will accomplish more harm than the screeching Harpy.


43 posted on 01/30/2008 7:40:47 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (And close the damned borders!)
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To: savedbygrace
Once again, McCain stood on the side of a violation of the Constitution.

How did the 'gang of 14' violate the constitution? I realize that you are saying fillibustering where Advise & Consent is supposed to take place was a violation (and I concur). But the 'gang of 14' was put together as a 'peaceful' way to stop the fillibustering from happening.

Maybe I'm missing something here, so please enlighten me.

44 posted on 01/30/2008 7:41:44 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: the gillman@blacklagoon.com

“Either of the lousy RINOS will accomplish more harm than the screeching Harpy.”

good lord how do you figure that?


45 posted on 01/30/2008 7:42:58 AM PST by DM1
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To: ECM

You can be certain that McCain did not do it to help the conservatives. He’s not a conservative.


46 posted on 01/30/2008 7:43:26 AM PST by Brilliant
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To: ECM
This piece is filled with half truths and leftist propaganda. The Gang of Fourteen let a handful of judges through the system while preserving the leftist tools to block conservative judiciary nominees. Thanks to McCain, most of these conservative nominees still sink in the quagmire.

Some of the nominees were appointed three years ago! Frist was going nuclear and the leftists were scared. Backstabbing McCain didn’t want conservative justices so he came to the leftists rescue. He threw Bush a bone, gave the conservatives the finger, and preserved the leftists obstruction. To date one third of the judgeships on the Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals are VACANT! The credit is all due McCain!

47 posted on 01/30/2008 7:43:27 AM PST by MBB1984
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To: MEGoody

Simple. The Gang of 14 stopped the Nuclear Option from being put in place, which in turn leaves the Executive appointments filibuster still in place as a Dim option.


48 posted on 01/30/2008 7:44:08 AM PST by savedbygrace (SECURE THE BORDERS FIRST (I'M YELLING ON PURPOSE))
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To: WhistlingPastTheGraveyard

And THAT is the unvarnished bottom line.


49 posted on 01/30/2008 7:47:18 AM PST by Obadiah
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To: DM1

After about two months, the entire nation will grit their teeth every time the beast howls. She’ll get no where.

Frauds in elephant costumes will just cruise right along, installing universal health care/socialized medicine, granting amnesty to the invading hordes, all the good stuff.

And idiots will cheer them on.


50 posted on 01/30/2008 7:47:22 AM PST by the gillman@blacklagoon.com (And close the damned borders!)
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