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Husbands with multiple wives to get extra benefits after Government go-ahead (Britain)
The Evening Standard ^ | February 3, 2008

Posted on 02/03/2008 12:30:38 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Husbands living in a "harem" with multiple wives have been cleared to claim state benefits for all their different partners.

A Muslim man with four spouses - which is permitted under Islamic law - could receive £10,000 a year in income support alone.

He could also be entitled to more generous housing and council tax benefit, to reflect the fact his household needs a bigger property.

Ministers have decided that, even though bigamy is a crime in Britain, polygamous marriages can be recognised formally by the state - provided they took place overseas, in countries where they are legal.

The outcome will chiefly benefit Muslim men with more than one wife.

Ministers estimate that up to a thousand polygamous partnerships exist in Britain, although they admit there is no exact record.

Potentially, the benefits bill for income support could reach £10m.

New guidelines on income support from the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) state: "Where there is a valid polygamous marriage the claimant and one spouse will be paid the couple rate (£92.80).

"The amount payable for each additional spouse is presently £33.65."

Income support for all of the wives may be paid directly into the husband's bank account, if the family so choose.

Chris Grayling, the shadow work and pensions secretary, said that the decision was "completely unjustifiable".

He added: "You are not allowed to have multiple marriages in the UK, so to have a situation where the benefits system is treating people in different ways is totally unacceptable and will serve to undermine confidence in the system.

"This sets a precedent that will lead to more demands for the culture of other countries to be reflected in UK law and the benefits system."

Mr Grayling also accused the Government of trying to keep the ruling quiet because the topic is so controversial.

Corin Taylor, research director for the Taxpayers' Alliance, said: "British taxpayers are paying a record amount of tax so the Government has a duty to make sure that every penny is spent properly.

"Polygamy is not something which British law allows and therefore British taxpayers should not have to pay for extra benefits for second or third wives.

"If other countries sanction polygamy that is fine but the British taxpayer should not have to fund it."

Ministers launched a review of the benefit rules for polygamous marriages in November 2006, after it emerged that some families had benefited financially.

The review concluded in December last year with agreement that the extra benefits should continue to be paid. But the decision was not publicly announced.

Four departments - the Treasury, the DWP, HM Revenue and Customs, and the Home Office - were involved in the review, which concluded that recognising multiple marriages conducted overseas was 'the best possible' option. In Britain, bigamy is punishable by up to seven years in prison.

Islamic law permits men to have up to four wives at any one time - known as a harem - provided the husband spends equal amounts of time and money on each of them.

The DWP believes the number of people in polygamous marriages entering Britain has fallen since the 1988 Immigration Act, which makes it harder to bring more than one wife to the UK.

But, while a married man cannot obtain a spouse visa to bring a second wife into Britain, some multiple partners may be able to enter the country via other legal routes such as tourist visas, student visas or work permits.

Officials have also identified a potential loophole by which a man can divorce his wife under British law while continuing to live with her as his spouse under Islamic law, and obtain a spouse visa for a foreign woman who he can legally marry.

Immigration rules say entry clearance may not be withheld from a second wife where the husband has divorced his previous wife, and the divorce is thought to be one of convenience.

This is so, even if the husband is still living with the previous wife and to issue the entry clearance would lead to the formation of a polygamous household.

Muslim couples are only married in the eyes of the British state if they undergo a register office wedding as well as a Nikah, or religious ceremony.

Muslim groups say it is quite common for men here to undergo more than one Nikah with different wives. This does not count as bigamy since only the first marriage is legally recognised.

A DWP spokesman said: 'There are fewer than 1,000 polygamous marriages in the UK and only a small percentage of these are claiming social security benefit.

"We recently reviewed the rules regarding benefit payments to customers in a polygamous marriage, which conclude that the rules in place since 1987 provide the necessary safeguards to ensure there is no financial advantage for claimants in a valid polygamous marriage."


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bigamy; britain; dhimmis; dhimmitude; dhimmiwatch; eurabia; islam; muslims; muslimwomen; polygamy; sharia; sharialaw; ukmuslims; unitedkingdom; welfare
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A giant step towards Sharia law and dhimmitude.
1 posted on 02/03/2008 12:30:41 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

A once great nation continues to crumble.


2 posted on 02/03/2008 12:32:04 PM PST by rottndog (Let Us NEVER forget those that have paid the highest price, that we may live in FREEDOM!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

What’s Barack Hussein Obama have to say about this?


3 posted on 02/03/2008 12:33:14 PM PST by Callahan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

How can the government tell you thatyou can’t have multiple wives when it tells you how much extra money it will give you for each one?


4 posted on 02/03/2008 12:34:59 PM PST by joshhiggins
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is it not bizarre that socialist Europe, which has such disdain for the “backward” Christian faith, is now bending over backwards to accomodate medieval Islam?


5 posted on 02/03/2008 12:35:04 PM PST by Callahan
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Well that’s not equal rights, is it? Why shouldn’t everyone be allowed several spouses concurrently? No extra privileges for Muslims!
After all, in a couple of generations marriage will be regarded as wrongful favoritism anyway.


6 posted on 02/03/2008 12:36:47 PM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A giant step towards Sharia law and dhimmitude.

The new slogan will be.....

The Moon Never Sets On The British Empire

7 posted on 02/03/2008 12:36:59 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sounds like mormons ought to love Brittan.


8 posted on 02/03/2008 12:40:34 PM PST by joebuck
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To: rottndog

God what are the Brits doing. It’s insane over there. It’s like there’s moral anarchy and (moral relativism) being institutionalized there. IT’s one thing for individuals to feel this way, it’s another to havethe government leading the way and draggin eveyone else along with them.

Protest and they’ve got your face on a dozen cameras. If you don’t get the fine letter in the mail the police’ll come by and fingerprint and put you in the DNA database. Wave ‘hello’ to Orwell along the way to Room 101....


9 posted on 02/03/2008 12:41:52 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: Fiddlstix

“All Roads lead to Mecca.”


10 posted on 02/03/2008 12:42:34 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: MadIvan; Jedi Master Pikachu; knighthawk; MinorityRepublican; Irish_Thatcherite; Alouette; ...
PING!!
11 posted on 02/03/2008 12:42:46 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Second To None!)
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To: rottndog

Stick a fork in ‘em. They’re done.


12 posted on 02/03/2008 12:45:25 PM PST by Mad Dawg (Oh Mary, conceived without sin, pray for us who have recourse to thee.)
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To: Callahan

It has something to do with the fact that if Muslims get ticked off they bomb something.


13 posted on 02/03/2008 12:46:55 PM PST by kjo
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To: joebuck

I want to know when we can get a tax deduction for the grand-dog we inherited when our daughter got married and moved out of state. We’re about to get another dog from our son, so we could use the help buying dog food. ;-)


14 posted on 02/03/2008 12:57:53 PM PST by Pining_4_TX
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Is Britian just going absolutely nuts? Are they on a suicide march to oblivion?

What the hell is wrong with them?

Why are so many people and cultures all over the world caving in to Islamofascism? WTF is going on?


15 posted on 02/03/2008 12:58:49 PM PST by garyhope (It's World War IV, right here, right now, courtesy of Islam.)
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To: garyhope

It’s the same thing that happened to France in 1940: nothing to believe in anymore. There’s no religion, no God, no government worth fighting for, better to just let those from the outside who want to get inside, run it.


16 posted on 02/03/2008 1:05:12 PM PST by kjo
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Stupidity doesn’t even begin to describe the Brits these days.


17 posted on 02/03/2008 1:06:18 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Of course, everyone knows what the penalty is for having multiple wives.

That's right...multiple mothers-in-law.

18 posted on 02/03/2008 1:07:04 PM PST by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The English have clearly lost too much of their best from the gene pool..
Those remaining seem to be insane.....

They are financing the lunatics who have barged into their homes to destroy them.....

Clearly and insane behavior...

Uh......I believe the same can be said for France, Germany, Spain and the United States....

We’re all subsidizing invaders from Turd World “cultures”....

19 posted on 02/03/2008 1:07:53 PM PST by river rat (Semper Fi - You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Here's some helpful reading for the newly-minted British dhimmis...


20 posted on 02/03/2008 1:09:06 PM PST by Digital Sniper (Hello, "Undocumented Immigrant." I'm an "Undocumented Border Patrol Agent.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
INSANITY
21 posted on 02/03/2008 1:17:37 PM PST by BenLurkin
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
which concluded that recognising multiple marriages conducted overseas was 'the best possible' option.

Left unsaid is what the other options were.

Muslim groups say it is quite common for men here to undergo more than one Nikah with different wives. This does not count as bigamy since only the first marriage is legally recognised.

So the muslims don't even recognize any marriage other than the first, but the Brits do? This is dhimmitude squared.

22 posted on 02/03/2008 1:21:49 PM PST by Madame Dufarge
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To: brityank; forkinsocket; Fred Nerks; Candor7; Beckwith; jan in Colorado; Cicero; SunkenCiv; ...

Husbands living in a “harem” with multiple wives have been cleared to claim state benefits for all their different partners.

A Muslim man with four spouses - which is permitted under Islamic law - could receive £10,000 a year in income support alone.


23 posted on 02/03/2008 1:24:42 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I don’t condone violence, but you would think that with all that crap that’s going on in Europe and the UK a non-violent crusade would take place. A crusade to save Christianity and traditional values.
24 posted on 02/03/2008 1:26:19 PM PST by mainerforglobalwarming
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"Polygamy is not something which British law allows and therefore British taxpayers should not have to pay for extra benefits for second or third wives."

Socialism is so rotten to the core, so upside down and backwards, so filled with hypocrisy that these idiots don't get the the British taxpayers should not have to pay for ANY wife.
25 posted on 02/03/2008 1:27:13 PM PST by socialismisinsidious ( The socialist income tax system turns US citizens into beggars or quitters!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Voice from the grave.

They have gone absolutely stark, staring, raving mad.

26 posted on 02/03/2008 1:31:17 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Bye-bye England. :(


27 posted on 02/03/2008 1:36:04 PM PST by Continental Soldier
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Invite into your country an alien, hostile underclass, encourage it to out-breed the natives by subsidizing its polygamous clan structure with taxpayer’s money, muzzle your own people’s protests with “hate crime” and “hate speech” laws that penalize Christianity and protect Islam, sit back and wait for the inevitable civil war, which the invaders will win. The is the treason of the clerks on steroids.


28 posted on 02/03/2008 1:42:32 PM PST by Argus
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Of course, everyone knows what the penalty is for having multiple wives.
That's right...multiple mothers-in-law.

LOL

I was just curious why a man would want FOUR wives? I've always been under the impression that most think ONE wife is More than enough!

Of course for muslims it's different...wives are property, not partners!

29 posted on 02/03/2008 1:43:48 PM PST by jan in Colorado ("It's easier to believe a lie one hears 1,000 times than to believe a fact that one has never heard)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
'There are fewer than 1,000 polygamous marriages in the UK

Lots of potential for statistical mischief. If only three people are in each marriage, this means 3,000 people.

30 posted on 02/03/2008 1:50:27 PM PST by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Here we pay unemployed people who have been on welfare their entire lives more money for each baby they have. This makes just as much sense. Of course this British plan comes with a great big step towards sharia law which brings ever more benefits to the women. Soon they won’t even be allowed to work, go outside, vote, drive, or nearly anything else.

Female circumcision should go over especially well in the enlightened British society.


31 posted on 02/03/2008 1:54:35 PM PST by driftdiver
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

bump


32 posted on 02/03/2008 1:57:40 PM PST by lowbridge
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To: rottndog

Churchhill is rolling over in his grave! And Margaret Thatcher probably needs to be hospitalized after reading this!


33 posted on 02/03/2008 1:58:36 PM PST by tpanther
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To: Argus

I used to believe that “Eurabia” was all about guaranteeing access to oil. It also seemed possible that the EU elites wanted a huge body of young men who could be relied upon as myrmidons, in case the EU populaces ever got ideas about taking back their countries (moslems never having shown much disinclination for killing nonmoslems.)It even occurred to me that maybe the EU elites have ideas about encouraging the spread of islam throughout the EU in case antiamericanism and environmentalism aren’t enough for EU cohesiveness. I think now that the answer as to why elites are so enamored with islam is easy to discern : Look at moslem countries: A huge corpus of semislaves with not only few rights, but no desire for rights, because all their misery is “Allah’s will”. Near slaves who never try to overthrow their elites, so long as those elites don’t openly despise islam or the koran-and the elites are perfectly free to do what they will behind palace walls, or when they jet off to the west. Peasants who live at the subsistence level, relying on ancient “technology”, thereby having minimal impact on Holy Gaia-in short, however horrific islamic countries are to us, to left/liberal elites, they are paradise and precisely what they’d like to impose on us : A world where THEY live in luxury while 99% of the population is semi literate and semi starving. Remember when George Soros made that remark at yet another Global Warming Summit, about saving the earth by destroying the western economies?


34 posted on 02/03/2008 2:01:31 PM PST by Verloona Ti
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Where are the rough brave Britons to be found With Hearts of Oak, so much of old renowned?
Mrs. Susannah Centlivre
“The Cruel Gift”


35 posted on 02/03/2008 2:03:29 PM PST by beejaa
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To: jan in Colorado
I was just curious why a man would want FOUR wives?

Well, if the stealer of tax money is going to give you some other peoples money to sleep with four different women, good work if you can get it! (stupid is as stupid does)Who says you have to stick around much?

36 posted on 02/03/2008 2:13:51 PM PST by MrPiper
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Yeah, that’s ok...just don’t call them “mum or dad” or they’ll drag you to jail.


37 posted on 02/03/2008 2:24:56 PM PST by WKUHilltopper
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To: driftdiver

Aid for Families With Dependent Children (AFDC aka Welfare)is technically limited to five years in the United States. As a career counselor and supervisor at two different state (Iowa and Texas) workforce centers, I saw thousands of these “clients” in my 15+ years. Most had more worldly goods and money than I did. Also, they could quote you chapter and verse from the laws and rules wich governed their entitlements. I say we go back to the system of churches and charities helping the poor, and the government would only assist those that are truly disabled.


38 posted on 02/03/2008 2:26:00 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Second To None!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Didn’t mean to hijack the thread but i agree with you. Its the entitlement mentality. Thats not what is happening in Britain though. I’d wager that muslim people in government have been pushing for this and other changes to bring them closer.


39 posted on 02/03/2008 2:31:19 PM PST by driftdiver
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To: george76

LOL

What the people don’t understand; “They giveth; they take away.” And they will.


40 posted on 02/03/2008 3:09:27 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: jan in Colorado

...to understand this development in the UK one has to know something of the long history of government ‘welfare’ in that nation. The ‘poms’ who came to Australia as migrants in the fifties and sixties were already a generation of welfare recipients, expecting free (council) housing, ‘unemployment’ benefits and free health care as their right. (And dental care, that’s why ‘poms’ have such rotten teeth...they would rather see their children’s teeth rot than pay for a dentist.)

Militant unionism was also part of their mindset. They earned themselves the name ‘whinging poms’ and thankfully, many returned after a period of quite disgusting behaviour, their open criticism of Australian society earned them no friends, they literally created a sub-class of their own choosing. But why did they come to Australia?

Because it only cost them ten english pounds per head and many saw the journey as a cheap adventure.

Yes, many did assimilate eventually, but we still have remnants of their militancy in our unions to date - and if a local ‘pom’ can’t be found to stir things up in the labour front, the Unions IMPORT a ‘suitable’ thug from the UK.

The muslims in the UK are not doing anything but taking advantage of what already exists in the system, they are stretching it. And it’s quite acceptable to the ‘poms’ because the majority are totally in favour of ‘getting the government to pay’ -

I cannot recall his name, but there was an ‘imam’ who was deported from the UK, he expected to be allowed to return for heart surgery. I recall the government purchased a vehicle for his family at the cost of thirty thousand sterling - because his family was too large to fit into an ordinary sedan...

Get the picture?

It’s no surprise to an Aussie to read about welfare for four muslim wives...not after our experience with the whinging poms whose entire families expected to be supported by the taxpayer. The poms won’t complain nor take any action because they are on the take themselves!

(PS. Apologies to those from Great Britain who don’t fit the mould.)


41 posted on 02/03/2008 3:28:55 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Unbelievable! If these a$$wipes have chosen to live in a Western country, then let them live under that country’s laws or go back to the hellholes from whence they came.


42 posted on 02/03/2008 3:50:13 PM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This the most pathetic, disgusting, grotesque thing I have heard lately.

The Brits are deeply involved with our F-35 program. So much for keeping anything secret - the dhimmis will give it all away.

When we stop considering them to be allies? And this also begs the question - is this plural giveaway occurring here, and if not, when it does become a US policy, will the ‘feminists’ say anything about the male collecting all the checks?

Didn’t a ‘rogue mormon’ just go to jail for the same thing? I bet a bigamist moslem won’t.


43 posted on 02/03/2008 4:26:43 PM PST by SusaninOhio
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Husbands living in a "harem" with multiple wives have been cleared to claim state benefits for all their different partners.>>>>>>>>>>>>>

How can I emmigrate to Britain?

44 posted on 02/03/2008 6:14:09 PM PST by Candor7 (Fascism? All it takes is for good men to say nothing.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It’s like hiring your own assassin.


45 posted on 02/03/2008 6:35:11 PM PST by RipSawyer (Does anyone still believe this is a free country?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
you gotta hand it to islam. whatever they're doing, it appears to be very effective.
46 posted on 02/03/2008 7:20:28 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (it's not called the Church Militant for nothing.)
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To: freekitty
What the people don’t understand; “They giveth; they take away.” And they will.

nope. muslims will destroy the public square. the government wouldn't dare.

47 posted on 02/03/2008 7:22:53 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (it's not called the Church Militant for nothing.)
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To: george76

England is bringing itself to ruin.


48 posted on 02/03/2008 7:40:38 PM PST by Marine_Uncle (Duncan Hunter for POTUS)
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To: Marine_Uncle

Sad.

They forgot Winston Churchill, now this...

Are we next ?


49 posted on 02/03/2008 7:41:53 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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To: Candor7

with multiple mother in laws too


50 posted on 02/03/2008 7:42:45 PM PST by george76 (Ward Churchill : Fake Indian, Fake Scholarship, and Fake Art)
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