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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It amazes me that this President feels so strongly about open borders and third world immigration he apparently is passively supporting McCain..who did his best to embarrass the President for the past 8 years.


3 posted on 02/03/2008 9:49:08 PM PST by Fast Ed97 (Trad Catholic supporting a Mormon for Prez!)
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To: Fast Ed97

Feds fine few employers of illegal immigrants
By Lisa Friedman, Washington Bureau
Article Created: 05/23/2006 09:32:43 PM PDT

WASHINGTON - Despite the national spotlight on immigration reform, the federal government has virtually abandoned financial sanctions as a way to punish employers for hiring illegal immigrants, choosing instead to pursue criminal penalties, according to officials and documents.

Dean Boyd, spokesman for U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement, said fines against employers were ineffective as a deterrent to hiring illegal immigrants, with some companies simply considering the penalties a cost of doing business.

So beginning in 2003, he said, the agency dramatically decreased the number of fines imposed, while increasing its criminal prosecutions.

“We have found that to be a far greater wake-up call” to employers, Boyd said. “We’ve really changed the way we’re going about doing our business. We are taking a completely new strategy,” he said.

But critics blasted the agency for backing down from its efforts to discourage and penalize those who help undocumented workers.

“To say that their efforts are trivial are to grossly overstate their efforts,” said Steven Camarota, research director for the Center for Immigration Studies, a D.C.-based think tank that takes a hard line on illegal immigration.

“Gee, maybe we don’t have a problem anymore,” said Rep.
Elton Gallegly, R-Thousand Oaks, who long has advocated increased enforcement of immigration laws.

With Congress poised this week to approve a massive immigration overhaul, lawmakers and President Bush have touted their dedication to beefing up security at the border and increasing fines for hiring illegal immigrants. But analysts said fresh statistics make them skeptical the proposed tougher punishments against employers will even be enforced.

“Until you get a reformed system, it’s going to be impossible to have the robust enforcement we all agree is appropriate,” said Marshall Fitz, director of the American Immigration Lawyers Association.

But Boyd noted that criminal prosecutions have risen steadily since the agency changed tactics. Arrests rose 10 percent from 2004 to 2005, resulting in 127 criminal convictions last year.

This year, the agency has made more than 2,000 arrests in connection with the employment of illegal immigrants.

Seizures and forfeitures also have taken the place of fines, Boyd said. Wal-Mart agreed to pay $11 million last year after the government found it hired illegal immigrants for cleaning crews at its stores, and last month the owners of three sushi restaurants in Baltimore agreed to forfeit more than $1.1 million after pleading guilty to hiring illegal immigrants.

He noted that the Wal-Mart settlement alone equaled eight years of civil penalties collected by the old Immigration and Naturalization Services.

But with an estimated 7.2 million illegal immigrants in the U.S. work force, lawmakers and analysts said they think the administration’s enforcement efforts don’t go far enough.

“When we know there’s over 10 million people out there working with invalid Social Security numbers, 511 arrests doesn’t seem like a very good record,” Gallegly said.

Carl W. Hampe, a former U.S. Senate counsel who helped draft the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, said Congress purposely created civil and criminal penalties and that both should be enforced.

“There seems to be no excuse for not enforcing the law civilly,” he said, calling ICE’s new strategy of focusing only on criminal prosecutions “not consistent with the intent of Congress.”

Hampe also criticized the number of arrests.

“For 8 million employers, that’s like, never. It’s such a small drop in the bucket,” he said.

Rep. David Dreier, R-Glendora, who has proposed a national Social Security card system that would enable employers to easily verify a worker’s employment status, said the statistics show the need for a better overall system.

“As enforcement is stepped up, it’s also important that we improve the employment eligibility verification system, so that employers can feel confident they are making legitimate hiring decisions,” he said. “It would be far easier to root out the bad apples if we gave honest and hardworking business owners the tools necessary to follow the law.”


4 posted on 02/03/2008 9:50:09 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: Fast Ed97

Bush, you make me sick.


5 posted on 02/03/2008 9:50:25 PM PST by lookout88 (Combat search and rescue officer's dad.)
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To: Fast Ed97

National ID card and enforcement of the laws that fine employers are the only solution to the illegal problem.


6 posted on 02/03/2008 9:51:23 PM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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To: Fast Ed97

Yeah, but McCain did end up supporting W in 2000.


19 posted on 02/03/2008 10:03:29 PM PST by freeplancer
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To: Fast Ed97
The Mexicans must have embarrassing photos from one of Bush’s “lost weekends” in Mexico.

He would be under surveillance because he was the son of a prominent American politician.

41 posted on 02/03/2008 10:37:46 PM PST by Finalapproach29er (Dems will impeach Bush in 2008, they have nothing else. Mark my words.)
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To: Fast Ed97
Folks I really would like to support Myth, however, I just have a few questions. Here are a few articles that I found on the net regarding Myth. Boy, I sure would appreciate some answers to these very factual articles and youtube postings. The part that concerns me the most is when one hears Myth in his own words. Any suggestions

Myth on Illegal Immigration

Mitt Romney Supports Bush/McCain Amnesty Plan..IN HIS OWN WORDS

Illegal immigrants toiled for governor Romney'

Romney's lawn care company hires illegal immigrants...AGAIN!

Why did Mitt Romney hire illegal immigrants to work in his mansion?

Why do anti-illegal imigrant people hire illegal immigrants?

Romney's Lawn Trouble

Romney painters facing inquiry...violating labor laws and hiring illegals..otra ves!

Myth on Republicans

Myth trashs Reagan

Myth trashs Republicans

Myth trashs Reagan Otra Ves

Myth trashes the Contract with American and the Republicans Again

Myth on Abortion

Myth trashs Pro-Lifers

Myth on Healthcare Debacle



RomneyCare still a spiraling fiscal disaster

Romneycare Mandates..Massachusetts Health Plan Denounced As Imminent 'Disaster'

Romney quiet on health care because his plan is a dismal failure

It's hard to tell everyone you're the heir to Ronald Reagan while you're touting Hillary Clinton's health care plan. There is no material difference between the two

Myth on Liberal Judges

Romney appointed liberal judges in Massachusetts

Romney Jurist Not Tilted to Gop

Myth on the Second Amendment

Mitt Romney - Gun Control

Mitt Romney Flip Flops on Gun Control



Myth on the Taxes

Romney's tax record gets a closer look

Romney oversaw millions in fee hikes as Massachusetts governor

Romney - Increased state fees and taxes by three quarters of a billion dollars


96 posted on 02/04/2008 2:28:29 AM PST by Fred (Looking Forward to Impeaching the other Clinton)
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To: Fast Ed97

George W Bush is gearing up for the presidency of Mexico. This could be a plus for Romney. Bush is a proven liberal. He’s a Nixon Republican. He’s expanded gov’t, wants to grant law breakers citizenship,and give tax breaks to those that don’t pay taxes. This could be a positive for Romney.


98 posted on 02/04/2008 2:48:18 AM PST by personalaccts (Is George W going to protect the border?)
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To: Fast Ed97
It amazes me that this President feels so strongly about open borders and third world immigration he apparently is passively supporting McCain..who did his best to embarrass the President for the past 8 years.

Why?

GWB's very first photo-op legislative signing was the education bill with -- center stage -- Edward M. Kennedy. That is the same Kennedy the Bush family have honored and praised at every opportunity. Recall GHWBush giving Kennedy some big award at GHWB's Library.

How many real conservatives have the Bush family honored, praised, had center-stage photo-ops with in the last 7 years?
105 posted on 02/04/2008 3:39:51 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Fast Ed97
"It amazes me that this President feels so strongly about open borders and third world immigration he apparently is passively supporting McCain..who did his best to embarrass the President for the past 8 years."

Who do you think is going to be feathering Bush's nest when he leaves office? Bill Clinton will always be sucking up all the speaking engagements in payment for all the kickbacks he gave his supporters. Bush is going to have to go "south" to get his after oval office money.
181 posted on 02/04/2008 9:22:56 AM PST by LetsRok
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