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Scurrilous lies about McCain debunked
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Posted on 02/04/2008 11:58:38 AM PST by connell

A few days ago, an article came to our attention claiming that there was evidence that John McCain collaborated with the communists during his captivity. The article was detailed and specific...and it appears to have been a complete fabrication and libel.

When the article came to our attention, we noted that it was terrible, be it were true or not. A terrible slur if untrue, and obviously nightmarishly terrible if it were true. We would not believe something like this a priori, and any a posteriori belief would be predicated on there being TONS of corroboration. We noted that it is not normally our style to even mention these sorts of things without that level of corroboration, but that in a situation of such importance, we hoped that by making a brief post on it, we could receive information (hopefully) debunking it or (please God no!) supporting it. In fact, we specifically requested that we be contacted with such information.

A reader, friend, and colleague just contacted us with information mercifully debunking the article. It is not a direct, point-for-point refutation, but it is from one of McCain's fellow prisoners, and by God, that is good enough.

Of the top-tier GOP candidates, McCain has not been---as is well-known to many of you---my first choice. But Wheeler's article has no place in civilized discourse. It is a slur on an American hero, and while we may take issue with his positions or even his temperament as regards his candidacy, we cannot allow slurs of American heros to go unchallenged. For reasons of temperament and issues, I urge a vote for Mitt Romney tomorrow. For reasons of patriotism and decency, I urge you all to spread the word that Dr. Wheeler's article is a pack of lies.

In our post on this, we also said that if this article were untrue, its author, Dr. Jack Wheeler, should be shunned from public discourse. Well, it's untrue.

Unless he has a damn good explanation for why he wrote this...or he is completely and abjectly apologetic, he really should never be taken seriously ever again.


Here is the article by JAMES H. WARNER, McCain's fellow P.O.W.:


Recently, I have seen several allegations that condemn Senator John McCain for his behavior as a prisoner of war. I believe that these allegations are false. I am in a better position than the Senator’s accusers to know the truth since I was a prisoner with him, having been captured a little over a month before him. I have contacted hundreds of my comrades on our e-mail list and not one of them can confirm anything that has been alleged against McCain. Let me tell you what they have told me and what I saw myself, and answer some of the charges.

First, I should say that I have great respect for Senator McCain, even though I am at odds with him on many issues and have remained distant from his campaign. I say this up front because I think that a defense mounted by one of his supporters would be less credible.

The first allegation is that the Soviets directed our interrogations and that John McCain gave up valuable intelligence during his interrogations. We doubt this. The Communists were not very skilled at keeping secrets from us and to my knowledge only one man saw someone whom he could identify as a Russian in any camp – a female “journalist’ who claimed to have been wounded as a tank commander in WWII. When the prisoner she was interviewing demanded that she show him her scars she knocked him off of his stool.

Everyone, when interrogated under torture, lied to the interrogators. Surely Soviet intelligence knew, as should any intelligent being, that there are no swimming pools on the decks of American aircraft carriers. Yet this lie was told and believed. One man was beaten for refusing to tell where the Navy keeps pigs and chickens on an aircraft carrier. Surely Soviet military intelligence knew that our ships have refrigeration and do not need to carry livestock. There are countless other such stories which cast doubt on the participation of the Soviets.

In any case, McCain was only a pilot. I cannot think of any tactical information which a Navy pilot could have which would be of any value to an enemy who lacked the capacity to attack an aircraft carrier. Nor can I think of much strategic information which any sensible person would give to a pilot who might be shot down and captured.

There are exceptions to this, of course. In any military or naval hierarchy, it is sometimes necessary, for day to day operations under unusual circumstances, for some men to be trained in various skills which may become useful should those circumstances arise. Even the existence of such skills should remain a secret as closely held as possible.

A few men in the camps had such a secret. Had it been disclosed by anyone, we would have known it instantly. It never was.

Someone has circulated a transcript of a radio broadcast made on June 2, 1969, in which McCain says that he received medical treatment and that we were being well treated. If it is authentic, it reads like a statement that he might have made when first captured. It did not take long for men to learn that they could manipulate language when tortured to make statements. Thus, at the Stockholm “War Crimes Tribunal,” the Vietnamese Communist government offered a statement from an American who confessed that Clark Kent (Superman’s alter ego) and Ben Casey (a character in a television show) ordered him to do terrible things. The Vietnamese only realized that they had been snookered when they saw Soviet journalists laughing at the joke the American had played on them. To John McCain’s critics I promise that I can get you, too, to make a statement on any subject I wish.

We have no evidence that Sen. McCain received special treatment. Since he was as thin as the rest of us, if he did, it was not in the form of decent food. It is alleged that he was taken into Hanoi and put up in a hotel with prostitutes. This is an improvement on the allegation spread during the 2000 campaign that he was given a Vietnamese woman to live with him in his cell, an allegation that led me to ask why, if he was my friend, didn’t he ask if she had a sister? Even when he was in solitary confinement, he was constantly in contact with others. Further, we always knew about movements within the camps because the Communists simply were not competent at preventing us from gaining intelligence. Men who were in the camps with him agree that they are not aware of a single night that he spent out of his cell.

A friend, whom I know to be reliable, was across the hall and one door down, from McCain’s cell when McCain was first captured. He has told me that he saw Communist officers enter the cell where the wounded John McCain lay, incapacitated. He heard them offer McCain early release and heard John answer that he would go home when we all go home. He heard the voices of the officers rising until they were shouting angrily at McCain and threatening him. This was followed by screams of agony from John McCain, and a stream of obscenities from him. He could not see what they did to him and I never heard from John McCain what it was. This does not sound like a collaborator.

In the spring of 1971 I personally witnessed evidence of John McCain’s loyalty. After the attempted rescue of POWs at the camp at Son Tay, in November of 1970, almost all Americans were moved to Hoa Lo prison in Hanoi, the infamous “Hanoi Hilton.” The Communists felt so threatened by the raid that, for the first time, they concentrated us in large cells with as many as sixty men in a cell.

One of the first things we did was to institute regular religious services in our cells. On January 1, 1971, we were told that all religious activity was forbidden. This led to a long series of increasingly hostile confrontations which someone has labeled “the Church Riots.” I was in a cell next to John McCain’s cell. In early March, the four senior men in his cell were removed and for some time we lost contact with them. Then the four senior men in my cell were removed, and we lost contact with them, also. The confrontations rapidly escalated.

My recollection is that John McCain was now the senior man in his cell. In any case, I know that he was deeply involved with what followed. The senior men in our two cells kept us under tight control, but carefully staged demonstrations of our anger over the religious ban and the removal of our cell mates. On March 19, St. Joseph’s Day, I remember the men in McCain’s room singing, at the top of their lungs, first “the Battle Hymn of the Republic,” then “Onward Christian Soldiers.”

We knew that this could not go on. The night before, when men from our cell went out to wash dishes, the largest men in the cell, me included, were sent out and told the stand a few inches in front of each guard, cross our arms, and stare angrily into their eyes. The guards were nervous. After ten minutes the one I was staring at began crying and ran away. Shortly thereafter a platoon of armed guards returned with him. A Vietnamese officer nervously ordered us to return to our cell. We stood fast. Finally, after we had repeatedly disobeyed the orders of the Vietnamese officer, the senior man in our cell stepped out and quietly told us to go inside.

The Communists were thoroughly frightened. Given the history of Communism, we had no illusions as to what might come from this. They had killed 100 million people to maintain their control. What would a few American pilots mean to people like that? For much of our incarceration they had threatened to execute some of us.

John McCain was involved in planning and carrying out these confrontations in order to gain the right to worship in our cells. He knew what we were risking. At sundown, on March 19, they came, first to McCain’s cell, then to ours. A total of thirty six of us were taken, at gunpoint, out of the cells. Outside our hands were tied, then our elbows tied behind our back, and we were blindfolded. We did not know what was about to happen but I am certain that none of us thought we were being taken to a hotel to have a party with Vietnamese girls. To our relief, we were taken to a camp where we were put in solitary confinement for the next seven months.

I may not agree with John McCain on some policies. However, I will go to my grave remembering the American officer who helped organize men to defy an enemy who wish to deprive us of religious observance. Even today I cannot hear the Battle Hymn of the Republic without tears as I am still moved by the courage of the singers and the leadership of John McCain.

James H. Warner is a retired attorney. He served as a domestic policy advisor to President Ronald Reagan from 1985 until 1989.


More information on Warner here.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2008; mccain; pow; rino; veteran
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1 posted on 02/04/2008 11:58:40 AM PST by connell
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To: connell
pffffft!
Hahaha!


2 posted on 02/04/2008 12:01:07 PM PST by counterpunch (McCain/Kennedy '08)
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To: connell
His position on the following is far more than enough for me to stand aginst him. None of these are in question:
  1. McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform attack on the 1st amendment
  2. McCain-Kennedy Amnest bill attack on our national soveriegnty
  3. McCain-Lieberman GLobal Warming Sham and attack on our American life-style and economy
  4. Giving terrorists and enemy combatants US legal rights.
  5. Voting against Bush's tax cuts and using liberal, class-warfare language to do so.
Etc.
3 posted on 02/04/2008 12:04:20 PM PST by Jeff Head (Freedom is not free...never has been, never will be. (www.dragonsfuryseries.com))
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To: connell

Whatever! Juan McAztlan collaborated with Ted Kennedy, Russ Feingold and the rest of the democratic party. That disqualifies him, by itself.


4 posted on 02/04/2008 12:05:38 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (Second To None!)
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To: connell
The Real McCain

SEN. JOHN McCAIN: THE ULTIMATE "RHINESTONE HERO"

SEN. JOHN McCAIN: THE ULTIMATE "RHINESTONE HERO" Part II

John McCain Is No Hero

John McCain: The Manchurian Candidate

JOHN MCCAIN, WARTS AND ALL

The War Secrets Sen. John McCain Hides

John McCain's Skeleton Closet

A number of articles on McCain. (some the same as above)

5 posted on 02/04/2008 12:05:41 PM PST by TigersEye (McCain is unfit for office. See my profile page.)
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To: connell
So who is James H. Warner shilling for?

I never heard these charges before Warner mentioned them

6 posted on 02/04/2008 12:06:21 PM PST by KenHorse (I am Shakespeare of Borg. Prepare to be or not to be)
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To: connell

That’s why I stay out of the personal stuff, like McCain’s military record. His legislative, public record of instability and supporting liberal positions is enough to turn off any sensible conservative.

CAPITOL HILL STAFFERS RATE THEIR BOSSES

McCain got no glory from those who work with him.
“Every election year we survey top aides on both sides of the aisle—administrative assistants, press secretaries, legislative directors, and chiefs of committee staffs—to get their up-close and personal, and anonymous, views. While there may be lots of partisan backbiting among congress members, their staffers seem far more capable of putting politics aside and making honest judgments. It wasn’t unusual for aides in both parties to name one of their own as “spineless” or give the “workhorse” nod to someone across the aisle. “

Worst Follower 2. John McCain (R-Ariz.)

Show Horse 2. John McCain (R-Ariz.)

Hottest Temper 2. John McCain (R-Ariz.) known to snap at staff when the cameras are off

THE McCAIN WAY - ATTACK REPUBLICANS

Defending His Amnesty Bill, “Presidential hopeful John McCain - who has been dogged for years by questions about his volcanic temper - erupted in an angry, profanity-laced tirade at a fellow Republican senator, sources told The Post yesterday. In a heated dispute over immigration-law overhaul, McCain screamed, ‘F— you!’ at Texas Sen. John Cornyn, who had been raising concerns about the legislation. ‘This is chickens—stuff,’ McCain snapped at Cornyn, according to several people in the room off the Senate floor Thursday. ‘You’ve always been against this bill, and you’re just trying to derail it.’” (Charles Hurt, “Raising McCain,” New York Post, 5/19/07)

In 2000, Sen. McCain Ran An Attack Ad Comparing Then-Gov. George W. Bush To Bill Clinton. SEN. MCCAIN: “I guess it was bound to happen. Governor Bush’s campaign is getting desperate, with a negative ad about me. The fact is, I’ll use the surplus money to fix Social Security, cut your taxes and pay down the debt. Governor Bush uses all of the surplus for tax cuts, with not one new penny for Social Security or the debt. His ad twists the truth like Clinton. We’re all pretty tired of that. As president, I’ll be conservative and always tell you the truth. No matter what.” (McCain 2000, Campaign Ad, 2/9/00; www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHoXkCprdL4)

Sen. McCain Repeatedly Called Sen. Pete Domenici (R-NM) nams. “Why can’t McCain win the votes of his own colleagues? To explain, a Republican senator tells this story: at a GOP meeting last fall, McCain erupted out of the blue at the respected Budget Committee chairman, Pete Domenici, saying, ‘Only an a–hole would put together a budget like this.’ Offended, Domenici stood up and gave a dignified, restrained speech about how in all his years in the Senate, through many heated debates, no one had ever called him that. Another senator might have taken the moment to check his temper. But McCain went on: ‘I wouldn’t call you an a–hole unless you really were an a–hole.’ The Republican senator witnessing the scene had considered supporting McCain for president, but changed his mind. ‘I decided,’ the senator told Newsweek, ‘I didn’t want this guy anywhere near a trigger.’” (Evan Thomas, et al., “Senator Hothead,” Newsweek, 2/21/00)

Sen. McCain Had A Heated Exchange With Sen. Charles Grassley (R-IA) And Called Him A “F*cking Jerk.” “Senators are not used to having their intelligence or integrity challenged by another senator. ‘Are you calling me stupid?’ Sen. Chuck Grassley once inquired during a debate with McCain over the fate of the Vietnam MIAs, according to a source who was present. ‘No,’ replied McCain, ‘I’m calling you a f—ing jerk!” (Evan Thomas, et al., “Senator Hothead,” Newsweek, 2/21/00)

In 1995, Sen. McCain Had A “Scuffle” With 92-Year-Old Sen. Strom Thurmond (R-SC) On The Senate Floor. “In January 1995, McCain was midway through an opening statement at a Senate Armed Services Committee hearing when chairman Strom Thurmond asked, ‘Is the senator about through?’ McCain glared at Thurmond, thanked him for his ‘courtesy’ (translation: buzz off), and continued on. McCain later confronted Thurmond on the Senate floor. A scuffle ensued, and the two didn’t part friends.” (Harry Jaffe, “Senator Hothead,” The Washingtonian, 2/97)

Sen. McCain Attacked Christian Leaders And Republicans In A Blistering Speech During The 2000 Campaign. MCCAIN: “Unfortunately, Governor Bush is a Pat Robertson Republican who will lose to Al Gore. … The political tactics of division and slander are not our values… They are corrupting influences on religion and politics, and those who practice them in the name of religion or in the name of the Republican Party or in the name of America shame our faith, our party and our country. Neither party should be defined by pandering to the outer reaches of American politics and the agents of intolerance, whether they be Louis Farrakhan or Al Sharpton on the left, or Pat Robertson or Jerry Falwell on the right.” (Sen. John McCain, Remarks, Virginia Beach, VA, 2/28/00)

Celebrating His First Senate Election In 1986, Sen. McCain Screamed At And Harassed A Young Volunteer. “It was election night 1986, John McCain had just been elected to the U.S. Senate for the first time. Even so, he was not in a good mood. McCain was yelling at the top of his lungs and poking the chest of a young volunteer who had set up a lectern that was too tall for the 5-foot-9 politician to be seen to advantage, according to a witness to the outburst. ‘Here this poor guy is thinking he has done a good job, and he gets a new butt ripped because McCain didn’t look good on television,’ Jon Hinz told a reporter Thursday. At the time, Hinz was executive director of the Arizona Republican Party. … ‘There were an awful lot of people in the room,’ Hinz recalled. ‘You’d have to stick cotton in your ears not to hear it. He (McCain) was screaming at him, and he was red in the face.’” (Kris Mayes and Charles Kelly, “Stories Surface On Senator’s Demeanor,” The Arizona Republic, 11/5/99)

Sen. McCain “Publicly Abused” Senator Richard Shelby (R-AL). “[McCain] noted his propensity for passion but insisted that he doesn’t ‘insult anybody or fly off the handle or anything like that.’ This is, quite simply, hogwash. McCain often insults people and flies off the handle…. There have been the many times McCain has called reporters ‘liars’ and ‘idiots’ when they have had the audacity to ask him unpleasant, but pertinent, questions. ” (Editorial, “There’s Something About McCain,” The Austin American-Statesman, 1/24/07)

Is it any wonder McCain has few endorsements from his Congressional piers? http://thehill.com/endorsements-2008.html

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1964284/posts?page=28#28


7 posted on 02/04/2008 12:07:35 PM PST by AuntB (" DON'T LET THE PRESS PICK YOUR CANDIDATE!" Mrs. Duncan Hunter 1/5/08)
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To: connell

I am not so concerned about the commies in Vietnam but that one he is best friends with Hillary.

Oh what are the NEW YORK newspapers holding back on McCain until after he wins the nod?


8 posted on 02/04/2008 12:08:15 PM PST by Just mythoughts (Isa.3:4 And I will give children to be their princes, and babes shall rule over them.)
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To: counterpunch
In other news:

Is McCain's Blinking Morse Code for "I'm Lying"?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6508735036470525783

9 posted on 02/04/2008 12:08:35 PM PST by E-Mat (Made in China = Arms for Tyrants)
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To: connell

Much of this is in direct contradiction to McCain’s very own words describing his medical treatment because his father was an admiral, the statements he made, including military information, to get medical treatment, etc. I’m not bashing McCain, but this article, if you believe McCain himself, is clearly crap.


10 posted on 02/04/2008 12:09:39 PM PST by Prokopton
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To: Jeff Head
I am not voting for McCain.
However, that article on him (I read it) was a pack of lies on top of lie and fabrication. If the story was true the other pilots in those prisons would have turned on him while he was in captivity and would try to have him brought up on charges after their release. Neither of those occurred.

John McCain is hero and paid a high price in the defense of our Nation. I wish I were half the man John McCain is. However, I am not voting for him because of his political convictions and beliefs.

11 posted on 02/04/2008 12:09:59 PM PST by cpdiii
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To: connell

The people he collaborates with in the good old USA are scary enough for me.


12 posted on 02/04/2008 12:10:12 PM PST by beandog (If exercise is so good for you, why does every bone in my body hurt)
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To: connell
Who needs scurrilous lies? How about a few truths? McCain-Feingold violates our 1st Amendment rights. McCain-Kennedy is an amnesty bill for illegal aliens. The Keating 5 scandal. The "Gang of 14" subversion of the Republican majority. McCain-Lieberman Gun Control laws. Voting against the Bush tax cuts. Dumping his first wife for a rich trophy wife. Embracing "global warming" by co-sponsoring a "carbon cap and trade" scheme that will trash the U.S. economy. Favoring closure of Gitmo. Opposing water boarding as a means of interrogating terrorist suspects. What a guy.

The New York Times is holding yet another financial scandal to torpedo McCain. People of bad character keep repeating their mistakes. They can't help it.

13 posted on 02/04/2008 12:10:37 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: TigersEye

referance ping


14 posted on 02/04/2008 12:10:49 PM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: TitansAFC; meandog; therut; MARTIAL MONK; Kuksool; freespirited; furquhart; mossyoaks; ...
Written in response to a vicious hit piece from a few days ago.

The McCain List.
15 posted on 02/04/2008 12:11:14 PM PST by Norman Bates
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To: The Shrew; zot
Jim Warner was one of the first three POWs to support the Swift Vets in 2004 (the others were Paul Galanti and Ken Cordier). He stated that his interrogators in Hanoi showed him John Kerry's Senate testimony as proof that the American prisoners should be treated as war criminals. I also worked with Jim later when he was a director of the Vietnam Veterans Legacy Foundation.

While Jim doesn't have or claim to have perfect knowledge of what John McCain did in North Vietnam, I believe that what he does have to say is true.

16 posted on 02/04/2008 12:11:41 PM PST by Interesting Times (ABCNNBCBS -- yesterday's news.)
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To: onyx

Ping


17 posted on 02/04/2008 12:11:53 PM PST by Norman Bates
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To: Jeff Head

I agree with you. If Johnny MAC was such a leader, send him back to prison where he can lead all he wants. He certainly has shown no leadership skills since he was released.


18 posted on 02/04/2008 12:12:07 PM PST by yazdankurd (Fortis Fortuna Adiuvat)
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To: connell
Recently, I have seen several allegations that condemn Senator John McCain for his behavior as a prisoner of war. I believe that these allegations are false.

Check out the difference between "I believe" and "I know."
19 posted on 02/04/2008 12:12:24 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Jeff Head
I don’t care what happened 40 years go pro or con. Whether is Cotton Hill trying to get some electoral mileage or an enemy trying a smear. I do care about the incontestable facts which you presented. He is unfit to serve.
20 posted on 02/04/2008 12:12:31 PM PST by isrul
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