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Mother of two happy to be alive after losing legs in accident
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Posted on 02/07/2008 6:43:44 PM PST by Ladycalif

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1 posted on 02/07/2008 6:43:49 PM PST by Ladycalif
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To: Ladycalif; SwinneySwitch; tennteacher; lonewacko_dot_com; radar101; ruination; gubamyster; Czar; ...

NorCal’s first Chapter Director and current Advisory Board member John Clark, witnessed an illegal alien traveling at 55 mph in a 25 mph zone slam into his car where, moments earlier, his wife placed their two young boys in their car seats, pinning her between two cars. Both of her legs had to be amputated. Both boys witnessed this accident and are traumatized.


2 posted on 02/07/2008 6:44:55 PM PST by Ladycalif (Free The Texas 3 - Ramos, Compean and Hernandez)
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To: Ladycalif

Make the authorities who allow this personally liable for the injuries, and this will stop.


3 posted on 02/07/2008 6:45:19 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: Ladycalif

oh dear Jesus


4 posted on 02/07/2008 6:46:04 PM PST by RDTF
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To: Ladycalif

In the old days that would’ve been Pedro’s last drive. I miss some things from earlier times.


5 posted on 02/07/2008 6:46:52 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: NormsRevenge; SwinneySwitch; PhilDragoo; Reagan Man; ExTexasRedhead; fieldmarshaldj; ...

Illegal aliens- committing crimes that Americans won’t commit.


6 posted on 02/07/2008 6:47:14 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (You can't be serious about national security unless you're serious about border security)
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To: Brilliant

If the illegals are employed I would go after their employers too.


7 posted on 02/07/2008 6:51:05 PM PST by cripplecreek (Duncan Hunter, Conservative excellence in action.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

This may sound extreme and forgive me for it, but summary execution where there is no doubt as to who did what to who and such sure seems like an expedient action.. is it really that barbaric when you think about it? The victims are haunted for life, the perp will just do his time and get deported..

The perp was there, the cops were there, the victims were there, hell, the kids are already traumatized,, have a Judge on stand-by and give him a call, and just do it.

It may not sober up illegals to a great degree near-term but it might actually send a message long overdue.. and one that will be heard soon enough.. and screw human rights groups that say otherwise. wait until one of their is killed or maimed for life.


8 posted on 02/07/2008 6:55:06 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: Ladycalif

All three viable presidential candidates will bring us more of this.


9 posted on 02/07/2008 6:55:10 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (It takes a father to raise a child.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Execution should be for deliberate murder. This perp is scum, but his crime was a careless accident.


10 posted on 02/07/2008 6:57:09 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (You can't be serious about national security unless you're serious about border security)
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To: Ladycalif
This is sort of becoming an epidemic in the Bay Area.

A woman in San Jose suffered the identical injuries at the hands of Guess Who not so long ago. She now campaigns to get these guys deported (well, just the ones who do things like this...she's still hesitant to tell all of them to leave).

What a lovely world the Bush's, the McCains, the Clintons and the rest of the political flotsam and jetsam have made for us.

11 posted on 02/07/2008 6:58:34 PM PST by Regulator
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To: Clintonfatigued

I normally don’t “go off the deep end”.. the accident part is questionable.. what did he blow on his breath test, I wonder.

Keep in mind , something 12 US citizens die at the hands of illegals every day, if I remember the stat correctly, folks can dispute it all they want, if it’s 1, it’s too many.

This family and woman will be scarred for life, this prick will be deported eventually. I hope that helps some understand my earlier post.


12 posted on 02/07/2008 7:02:17 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: Clintonfatigued
Execution should be for deliberate murder. This perp is scum, but his crime was a careless accident.

I'd argue that driving drunk at 55 mph in a 25 mph zone goes way beyond carelessness.

13 posted on 02/07/2008 7:04:50 PM PST by LibWhacker ("I don't like prison. They have the wrong types of bars in there." Charles Bukowski)
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To: Ladycalif

OMG. This is absolutely sickening. Prayers for this woman, her little boys, and husband. When is it going to STOP???


14 posted on 02/07/2008 7:05:51 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: NormsRevenge; Clintonfatigued
Keep in mind , something 12 US citizens die at the hands of illegals every day, if I remember the stat correctly, folks can dispute it all they want, if it’s 1, it’s too many.

That's very close...it's ~13 per day:

From a November 2006 article:

4,380 Americans murdered annually by illegal aliens. [That's 365 murdered Americans every single month, or 27,740] since Sept. 11, 2001

From a September 2006 article:

...between 1,806 and 2,510 people in the U.S. are murdered annually by illegal aliens. If [Mac Johnson's] right, that would represent between 11 percent and 15 percent of all murders in the U.S.

15 posted on 02/07/2008 7:10:00 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: LibWhacker

I fully agree that it was criminal carelessness but I don’t think it helped that the mom was double-parked after dark.


16 posted on 02/07/2008 7:10:10 PM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: nicmarlo

Thanks, those figures don’t seem to hold much sway with a lot of folks. a sad fact.


17 posted on 02/07/2008 7:19:57 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: caseinpoint

seems like a helluva penalty to pay for double parking..


18 posted on 02/07/2008 7:24:00 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge

No, it doesn’t seem to at all. After I posted, I rechecked my math...your figure is actually more correct than mine...I rounded up..you rounded correctly. In actuality, the numbers are likely higher than either. And as you said, even one a day is too too many.


19 posted on 02/07/2008 7:25:10 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: NormsRevenge

Absolutely and I’m not saying she deserved what happened. I just shudder everytime I see someone double-parked, especially picking up kids from school everyday near my home. And it’s especially risky after dark. I don’t justify the driver. I hope he goes to jail for a long time and then gets deported. I hope the mother and her family are able to heal as much as possible. But I also hope that someone will think twice about double-parking, too.


20 posted on 02/07/2008 7:26:52 PM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: caseinpoint

That’s really irrelevant.
Residential street, 25 mph speed limit is for a reason. Kids playing, people out and about, etc.

“After the crash, Pacheco put his car in reverse and sped away from the scene. Neighbors followed him to his house about a block away, where they held him until police arrived and arrested Pacheco on felony DUI, hit and run and driving without a valid license. Pacheco has a prior misdemeanor DUI conviction from January 2007. He is on probation.

He is being held in the county jail on $100,000 bail.

Pacheco does not have auto insurance.”

And the woman who lost her legs: a *LEGAL* IMMIGRANT.

““I was holding Lili. She was conscious. All she kept saying was ‘Check the kids.’ Her legs were crushed, and she was just worried about the kids,” he said.”


21 posted on 02/07/2008 7:27:32 PM PST by visualops (artlife.us nature wallpapers)
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To: visualops

I wouldn’t exactly call it irrelevant. Had she been legally parked off the driving lane, it appears the accident wouldn’t have happened as it did. Doesn’t excuse the driver by any means but double-parking is risky and people should avoid it if at all possible, especially after dark.


22 posted on 02/07/2008 7:34:27 PM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: Clintonfatigued

You’re right. I say amputate the loser’s legs and let him crawl home to Tiajuana.


23 posted on 02/07/2008 7:34:55 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: Ladycalif

How fast do you think the illegal’s attorney will sue the neighbors for kidnapping him.


24 posted on 02/07/2008 7:38:44 PM PST by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: LibWhacker

It is way beyond simple carelessness. Damn, now I’m fluctuating between amputating the guys leg and deporting him, and an on-site trial and execution. On the one hand the execution would feel REAL good and he’d never come back. On the other hand HE gets to feel the pain (no anesthetic) and has to live the rest of his life without legs. I’d probably swing towards the amputation in this case for 2 reasons - it was not deliberate, premeditated actions on his part, and because they were double parked.


25 posted on 02/07/2008 7:39:27 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: Ladycalif; Dane

Friend of yours Dane?

MANY prayers up for this lady and her family!!!


26 posted on 02/07/2008 7:41:31 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Vote for my German Shepherds!!!! They're smarter than what's running!!)
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To: mtbopfuyn

Citizens arrest is not kidnapping. It is only false imprisonment/kidnapping if you hold an innocent person. Since one of them followed the guy back and could ID him, at least one of them knew he was the true criminal. Therefore a legal and sound citizens arrest.


27 posted on 02/07/2008 7:41:31 PM PST by Secret Agent Man
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To: Clintonfatigued

My cousin and her husband were both killed in an accident with a drunk illegal alien. (I think part of the dirty little secret is that these illegals are part of a BIG chunk of business for the liquor industry. It would be interesting to know just how much lobbying the liquor lobby does on behalf of the illegals. Inquiring minds want to know.)


28 posted on 02/07/2008 7:44:48 PM PST by Twinkie (Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God . . .)
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To: Ladycalif; Secret Agent Man

We need to bring back slavery, only this time assign people to that status because they’ve proved they belong there. Put them to work at hard labor, a good beating if they don’t work hard enough, and have their victims entitled to all the proceeds of their labor. And publicize the lives of the slaves widely, to discourage other people from signing up for that life themselves.

Their victims should own them, literally. Be entitled to rent them out to the highest bidder. I’m fed up with taxpayers’ money being wasted on imprisoning and “rehabilitating” vicious animals who just happen to be residing in humanoid packages, while their victims and victims’ surviving loved ones often get nothing, and struggle to make ends meet due to depression, PTSD, etc.


29 posted on 02/07/2008 7:53:20 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: NormsRevenge

He won’t even do his time. He will skip bail and go back into Mexico. Then he will come back over to a new city with another id.

My friend was killed by an illegal alien in Texas under similar circumstances and this is exactly what the guy did. He walked out of the hospital with a promise to appear in court and disappeared.

Where is the justice in that? His death is on the head of every sanctuary city politician in Texas.


30 posted on 02/07/2008 7:57:26 PM PST by willyd (Tickets, fines, fees, permits and inspections are synonyms for taxes)
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To: Ladycalif

Prayers being said for this mom & her family.


31 posted on 02/07/2008 8:08:54 PM PST by pandoraou812 (Don't taunt the animal's at the zoo or they may bite YOU!)
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To: visualops
“After the crash, Pacheco put his car in reverse and sped away from the scene. Neighbors followed him to his house about a block away, where they held him until police arrived and arrested Pacheco on felony DUI, hit and run and driving without a valid license. Pacheco has a prior misdemeanor DUI conviction from January 2007. He is on probation.

For all he knew, he left her to die or she was dead. And so should he be.

Or at least go an eye for an eye, then deport him.

This sort of thing just makes my blood BOIL!!!

32 posted on 02/07/2008 8:11:13 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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yorkie, prayers needed here.


33 posted on 02/07/2008 8:11:24 PM PST by pandoraou812 (Don't taunt the animal's at the zoo or they may bite YOU!)
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To: caseinpoint

I hope you understand why some may question your comments ,, it’s kind of like someone who walks under a piano being hoisted in the air on a pulley , loiters and then gets squashed as a result when someone sneezes and loses their grip on the rope unintentionally.. admittedly maybe not the best comparison..

I’m all for traffic safety... but.. this sounds like a residential area to start with, not sure from the article.


34 posted on 02/07/2008 8:13:56 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: NormsRevenge

I do understand why some may be offended or argue. I only hope to spur some to think twice about double-parking. She was definitely in the wrong place at the wrong time. She engaged in risky behavior, something we all do from time to time, but she lost the roll of the dice. It was a calculated risk but certainly not the same as double-parking on a highway or interstate. I’m sorry it happened and I applaud her spunky attitude. I hope the whole family has blessings up the wazoo.


35 posted on 02/07/2008 8:20:09 PM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: pandoraou812

Oh, yes! Prayers for the mother as she heals, and for her poor children who witnessed the accident. They will be traumatized for ever.

Our Government has ‘slipped’ into almost every aspect of our lives over the past decade. But, it appears that it totally ignores the reality that innocent citizen’s lives are lost every day, as a direct result of illegal alien activity.

It breaks my heart to watch.


36 posted on 02/07/2008 8:24:27 PM PST by yorkie
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To: Ladycalif
This story may goes both ways. I have a friend who shaved off the legs of 2 Latinos who pushed their Truck from the back (Tail gate), off a freeway lane, they could not afford a tow truck.
Double parking in a narrow street, with no street lights and perhaps no lights on the car, standing behind the rear bumper, bend over the Trunk......
Nice deflection to the issue of drunk driving though.
37 posted on 02/07/2008 8:49:04 PM PST by modican
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To: NormsRevenge

What makes you think he’ll be deported? He’ll get free medical, free housing, college tuition, yadayada and then Social Security. We don’t deport the POOR WIDDO ALIENS, they just are here doing work that others won’t do. Besides, that’s their culture — drinking and driving.


38 posted on 02/07/2008 9:00:01 PM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: visualops

I’m sorry but I wouldn’t call it irrelevent either,
but it dosn’t feel right to argue that fact now,
I’m so saddened by this story.Prayers for the family,
and I hope justice is done.


39 posted on 02/07/2008 9:01:55 PM PST by adversarial
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To: modican

Not really similar situations at all.

One was caused by a drunk criminal illegal alien and the other by the foolish actions of the ones who got their legs “shaved”


40 posted on 02/07/2008 9:06:50 PM PST by Syncro
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To: Ladycalif

What a sad story and a brave woman and a good husband.


41 posted on 02/07/2008 9:12:30 PM PST by Syncro
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To: caseinpoint

She engaged in risky behavior, something we all do from time to time, but she lost the roll of the dice. It was a calculated risk but certainly not the same as double-parking on a highway or interstate. I’m sorry it happened and I applaud her spunky attitude. I hope the whole family has blessings up the wazoo.

I am sorry it happened as well.. it points both to the preciousness of life and the cavalier attitude others have towards it.. the cavalier piece is not directed at you but at the driver.. it also reinforces how deeply this nation is being affected by illegals whether the newspapers and media want to report it or not.. or our politicians will acknowledge it as such..


42 posted on 02/07/2008 10:14:30 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed ... ICE’s toll-free tip hotline —1-866-DHS-2-ICE ... 9/11 .. Never FoRGeT)
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To: Jeff Chandler

This time last year I chose to support Hunter for this very reason. We are in a long war because of the obscene acts of murder and hatred perpetrated upon us on 9-11. The WOT is important and I supported the action and the troops. Yet, for one to say the WOT is the most important issue is very short-sighted and signals to me they are not paying attention.

Since 9-11, the illegal invasion from our Southern border has claimed the lives of 55,000 American citizens. When do we go to war against these invaders? Half of that number is vehicular manslaughter and the other half just outright murder. How do politicians sleep at night? Where do they find the unmitigated gall to disregard these facts and do nothing?

Are we still a nation of laws. Are we still a government of the people or just a government of PC leftists and Wall St? Am I the only one left who gives a damn? Any American whose blood is not boiling is either severely apathetic, ignorant or both. The GOP electorate has insured this issue will for all intents and purposes be taken off the table with their votes.

They were star-struck by incompetent movie actors, dazzled by aesthetically pleasing millionaires, duped by Hucksters and beguiled by a NY liberal. The sheeple allowed themselves to be led by poll and pundit, to the vindictive and arrogant little man who will soon lead them to the slaughter. They concerned themselves only with well delivered speeches filled with lies and flattering words. Their concern was “electability”, “beat Hillary” and “stop Rudy”. Except for beating Hillary all have come to fruition. The electorate has the monster they wanted, they created. Let us now see if they can control their creation. Over a year ago, it was my contention that if Hunter wasn’t elected in 2008; The demographics will have changed in such a way that 2012 won’t matter. Well, not if you are a conservative it won’t. This is one of those times when one hopes and prays to be wrong.


43 posted on 02/07/2008 10:59:10 PM PST by WildcatClan (The epitome of irony is that few entities exist, less common, than common-sense.)
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ping


44 posted on 02/07/2008 11:20:06 PM PST by gubamyster
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To: Clintonfatigued

Do we know for a fact that the perp is illegal? This article doesn’t mention his status that I found.


45 posted on 02/08/2008 4:49:34 AM PST by TADSLOS (Estoy Juan McCain y apruebo este mensaje!)
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To: gubamyster; nicmarlo; All

Thanks for the ping. Hooray Lilian Clark! Thanks for the links, nicmarlo. Thanks to every contributor to this thread.


46 posted on 02/08/2008 5:21:05 AM PST by PGalt
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To: PGalt; gubamyster

yw PGalt.

Prayers up again, for this woman and her family...and for God’s intervention in this whole mess....I would not have one more American or legal citizen die or become yet another victim at the hands of illegals....it surely seems that only a miracle can bring that about.


47 posted on 02/08/2008 1:41:16 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: Secret Agent Man
In the old days that would’ve been Pedro’s last drive. I miss some things from earlier times.

Damn straight. GTHOOMC

49 posted on 02/08/2008 2:09:49 PM PST by radiohead (I stood up for Fred at the Iowa Caucus. Where were the rest of you so-called conservatives?)
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To: Ladycalif

Remember that widely advertised/discussed story of the illegal who helped the American kid in the desert last year?

Well, of the past 10 or so illegal alien DUI accident stories I’ve read about, in around 8 of them, the guy bailed and left the injured for dead.


50 posted on 02/08/2008 2:35:56 PM PST by ruination
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