Religious minorities face Real ID crackdown

CNET News.com ^ | 06 Feb 2008 | Anne Broache

[MNJohnnie]

There is no right to fly in the US Constitution.

[3AngelaD]

Simple: she doesn’t get to drive, and she can’t fly on airplanes. Ya pays yur money and ya takes yur choice.

[wiggen]

well i live in CT. not sure if they’ll comply. so does that potentially disallow the whole state from flying? real id is a small price to pay,without exception,to help combat illegals and terrorism

[Sloth]

For some Christians, Quaring included, one source of religious objections to Real ID comes from the Christian Bible's Second Commandment, which in one translation says: "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below."

[MNJohnnie]

Satanist believe in human sacrifice. Does that we, as a society, must respect their religious views? Various strict sects of Islam and Mormonism believe in Polygamy. Do we, as a society, have to respect their religious views?

WE, as a society, have the right to organize our civic culture to protect ourselves. IF some peoples “rights” clash absolutely with those programs Courts make rulings to determine which way the Constitution rules. That what our system of checks and balances is all about.

What we do NOT do is bend over and grab the ankles of every hysteric whiny little special interest group freak who screams hysterically about mythical “rights”.

Their right to not have their picture taken does NOT trump our right to defend ourselves from those who would do us harm. The rights of the Minority do NOT trump the rights of the Majority.

[hadaclueonce]

REAL ID is REAL BS

[3AngelaD]

It disallows the use of the state’s drivers license as ID to board an airplane. You could still fly if you had a passport.

[Adder]

She also does not have access to the courts or other federal building.

There is a right to that.

[Wallace T.]

There is no right to fly in the US Constitution.

There is no right of the Federal government to regulate flight, either, except in the case of international travel. The "interstate commerce" clause in the Constitution was designed specifically to prevent the states from establishing tariffs or trade barriers. The Federalist Papers make clear the intent of the framers in this matter. Not only are the Feds not granted the power to control interstate commerce, but the Tenth Amendment forbid them from usurping the rights of the states and the people. The issuance of drivers licenses and ID cards is a state matter, not a Federal one.

[3AngelaD]

Who was it that said the Constitution is not a suicide pact?

[3AngelaD]

No, she still has access to courts or other federal buildings if she has a passport.

[Adder]

Not without a picture.

[pennboricua]

Don’t you need a photo id to qualify for a passport?

[theBuckwheat]

In states that are trying to require photo ID for voting, the Left + MSM are tying themselves into knots, contorting the inconvenience of a very few poor and disabled people who lack the proper ID into general opposition to requiring any ID to vote. Of course, we know that the Left + MSM never does anything for the superficial reason, so we all know why the ruckus.

Yet, the Left + MSM is curiously silent on the status of religious minorities, such as the Amish or Mennonites who have sincere and well founded objection to the requirements posed by Real ID.

The Left + MSM claim that requiring a photo ID is a way of denying the right to vote to some people (who mostly vote Democrat), yet don’t mount similar objections when it will result in denial of the right to travel or access vital government services. Go Figure. (well, some of us have!)

[jiggyboy]

They backed off that May deadline about three weeks ago, as I predicted. This article is obsolete even though it’s printed today.

[theBuckwheat]

There is an unalienable right to travel freely. Further, government has not sought alternate ways of identifying people who object to a photo.

Now, a photo seems harmless enough, but how many Freepers know that the US Secret Service (and I presume also other departments) now have copies of all digital driver’s license photos that the States took in order to administer their driver’s licenses?

see: U.S. Helped Fund License Photo Database, By Robert O’Harrow Jr. and Liz Leyden
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, February 18, 1999; Page A1

link:
wearcam.org/drivers_license_picture_sale.html

[jiggyboy]

Oops I was wrong about that. This May 11 restriction on flights and federal buildings is real. The mid-January delay on Real ID was the delay in making the states have a Real ID driver’s license.

[Sherman Logan]

You could still fly if you had a passport.

Which requires a photo.

[3AngelaD]

They also have pictures of us all walking in and out of Target. I do not feel threatened. If there is an unalienable right to travel freely, then why to we have to pay for airlines tickets? Why is this not an entitlement?