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Your analysis is flawed to say the least.

First, low Republican turnout is directly because the last straw has been cast on the proverbial camel's back. The betrayal of the party's principles by our leadership, culminating in the immigration fiasco is precisely why there is no turnout and why the RNC's money spigots have gone dry.

There is no "enthusiasm" gap. The Conservatives are very enthusiastically pissed off at the leadership. They stand adamantly against them, and none will galvanize them more than the Traitorous Bastard, the single most hated and distrusted man since Chaffee left the party.

Secondly, McCain, as a Baker moderate, will only be an extension of the same ignoble path that Bush, another Baker moderate, and his father (yet another) have lead us down. To elect McCain would only reward the Baker wing for their infamy by extending their dynasty for the foreseeable future. That is *not* going to happen.

It doesn't matter a bit who the Traitorous Bastard might pick for a VP other than Thompson (who would only raise the ire), simply because there is nothing on earth that removes the stench of having to vote for the Benedict Arnold of Conservatism.

There is no salve to heal the wounds laid upon us by this self same pile of offal and the treasonous wing of the party that whelped him. No balm exists to remove his sneering countenance from before our eyes, nor one that would allow us to accept him as the keeper of our faithfulness as he walks our hallowed halls. He is completely beyond redemption, no matter what vapid promises pass his lying lips.

Thirdly, Bush cannot regain the ground lost with Conservatives any more than the Dixie Chicks can win back the hearts of rednecks. He long ago passed from "hero" to "hell no", and is so far past "OH HELL NO!" that he would be best to just stfu and wander off to KennedysBunkMatePort and go fishing with the old man. The first rule of holes applies in triplicate, and in capital, bold-faced letters.

If there was an ounce of concern for the party and for our troops in the hearts of these greedy power mongers, they would cede their control back to the Conservative wing in every way possible- Both house leaderships and the RNC, not to mention every administrative cabinet position, to give us a chance of straightening out this mess in time to have a shot at election.

But lets not kid ourselves. That isn't going to happen. They think they can pack our various orifices full of sand yet again. After all, where are we going to go?

The only way to dig these cockroaches out of their positions is to crater the party. And I don't mean any old regular crater. This deserves a crater of mythic proportions. An historic event so dire and unprecedented that our grandchildren will still be hearing the echoes pounding down through time. The politicians of that time should run in terror at the thought of being "McCained". Only such an event would give the Traitorous Bastard what he truly deserves. Absolute and utter failure.

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I understand your frustations. I don’t agree with the solution.

Really fallacy is in equation Klintons to McCain. Traitors and Draft Dodgers to a Patriot and War Hero.

He would NEVER trade weapons techonoly for campaign donations. He would NEVER surrender to Al Qaida.

Klintons have and would.

As far as “flawed anlaysis”, I didn’t think I needed to explain why party is split, because we know why. Also, the solutions to the problem were all geared towards bringing Conservatives back to the fold, and thus assuming their anger is one of the main causes of this problem.

Finally, point #6 did present specific examples of how what used to be STRENGTHS of GOP, the credibiliy on those issues was lost. Another way of saying, betrayal or party principles.

You have very eloquently stated the fundamental causes of this damned mess we are faced with. I voted twice for W and at the present time I would not support him for Commissioner of Public Works. The same goes for a large portion of the Republicans who occupy positions in this Administration and Congress.

I agree with your assessment of the remedy, a sort of “Creative Destruction” of the party. It is the only way to root these people out and get it back on track. Failing this a viable, philosophically pure Third Party is mandatory.

I am going to print out and save this thread as it contains the best series of posts regarding statements of both the problems along with some of the solutions I have seen in a single thread since I’ve been at FR. I would urge others to do the same and, periodically, re-read it at points in the future.

FRegards