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A Conversation with Frank Viola, Part I (Pagan Christianity)
subversiveinfluence.com ^ | Feb. 11, 2008 | Bro. Maynard

Posted on 02/12/2008 2:42:11 AM PST by ovrtaxt

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1 posted on 02/12/2008 2:42:14 AM PST by ovrtaxt
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To: ovrtaxt

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2 posted on 02/12/2008 2:49:22 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like what you say))
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To: ovrtaxt
Umm, didn’t he used to pitch for the Minnesota Twins?
3 posted on 02/12/2008 2:59:46 AM PST by Moral Hazard (This election mess is Iowa's fault. From 2012 on make them vote last (or not at all).)
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As a matter of fact, Frank Viola and Frank Viola are friends. No kidding!


4 posted on 02/12/2008 3:02:29 AM PST by ovrtaxt (Member of the irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.)
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I haven’t read the book but see merit in what Frank is expressing. I think too many organized institutions of religion have doctored the true message of Christ with a lot of add-ons that having nothing to do with a relationship with Christ.

Raised in that element, I respect it, but I rather tend to prefer my relationship with Christ to be personal and spiritual rather than done up with a lot of frippery that has nothing to do with the New Testament.


5 posted on 02/12/2008 3:03:53 AM PST by Dudoight
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‘frippery’. I’m stealing that word.


6 posted on 02/12/2008 3:07:59 AM PST by ovrtaxt (Member of the irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.)
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To: ovrtaxt

Pagan Christianity is a really eye-opening book.

I appreciate you posting this interview and intend to print it out for other interested folks.


7 posted on 02/12/2008 3:08:07 AM PST by fightinJAG (Rush was right when he used to say: "You NEVER win by losing.")
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So far so good, the religious evisceration should be starting any moment now....


8 posted on 02/12/2008 3:10:03 AM PST by ovrtaxt (Member of the irate, tireless minority, keen on setting brushfires of freedom in the minds of men.)
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To: Moral Hazard
"I spent thirteen years in the institutional church, traversing many different denominations. I think I counted 13 different brands of church"

And then I prayed, "Lord what is the true church?"

"Later I found some golden tablets on which was shown me the true church. It was the answer to a prayer"

yitbos

9 posted on 02/12/2008 3:13:25 AM PST by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds. - Ayn Rand")
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“Later I found some golden tablets on which was shown me the true church. It was the answer to a prayer”

And that sort of ‘happening’ is part and parcel of the problem with the various organized religions. Some ‘inspired’ guy thinks he needs to add to the New Testament’s message.

Sans the golden tablets it produces the same ‘extras’ in various Christian institutions.


10 posted on 02/12/2008 3:23:57 AM PST by Dudoight
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I was just going to say that I remember when he pitched for the Mets lol


11 posted on 02/12/2008 3:44:18 AM PST by frankiep (Democrats base their ideology on the premise that you are too stupid to do anything for yourself.)
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To: Dudoight

Yup. If you follow the deep ecclesiology link, there’s an interesting read into Christ as the center and nothing else. Trying to place that perfect wine in an imperfect vessel leads to a lot of stained carpets. At the same time, Viola still seems intent on forming churches, but he doesn’t say what those churches should express, only criticizes the limitations of the existing churches he’s experienced. I would be interested in his thinking about what a church should be expressing and not the usual “stay true to Christ” mantra. Until I experience otherwise, I think the only perfect expression of Christ is within each of us individually.


12 posted on 02/12/2008 3:57:58 AM PST by gotribe (I've been disenfranchised by the GOP.)
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I haven’t read the book but see merit in what Frank is expressing. I think too many organized institutions of religion have doctored the true message of Christ with a lot of add-ons that having nothing to do with a relationship with Christ.

Jesus Christ + 0 = Gospel

13 posted on 02/12/2008 4:27:17 AM PST by A2J (Love Jesus...hate "church.")
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At the same time, Viola still seems intent on forming churches, but he doesn’t say what those churches should express,

Then you need to read his other books, particulary "Knowing Christ Together" and "Rethinking the Will of God," "Whose Your Covering" to get an idea of what his view of the New Testament church is.

14 posted on 02/12/2008 4:31:59 AM PST by A2J (Love Jesus...hate "church.")
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To: fightinJAG

Is this a rebirth of “First Century Christianity” which was the epitome of simplicity; worshipping in homes, sharing the Eucharist like a meal, shunning institutional religions (which were non-Christian anyway)?

I don’t know about “Pagan Christianity”, sounds like an oxymoron, IMO.


15 posted on 02/12/2008 4:46:21 AM PST by elcid1970
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To: sauropod

read


16 posted on 02/12/2008 4:55:14 AM PST by sauropod (I'd rather be waterboarded than vote for John McCain)
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To: gotribe

“Until I experience otherwise, I think the only perfect expression of Christ is within each of us individually.”

WOW! That is about as well said as can be said. I need to borrow that from you!


17 posted on 02/12/2008 5:13:43 AM PST by Dudoight
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To: A2J

“Jesus Christ + 0 = Gospel”

After a lifetime of organized religion...I have finally come to that.

It is between me and HIM. No middle man/men needed anymore.


18 posted on 02/12/2008 5:17:27 AM PST by Dudoight
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To: Moral Hazard

He used to be Frank Violin. Then he grew up.


19 posted on 02/12/2008 5:27:14 AM PST by Charles Henrickson (Taking a bow.)
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To: ovrtaxt

ping


20 posted on 02/12/2008 5:41:55 AM PST by Louis Foxwell (here come I, gravitas in tow.)
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