Posted on 02/15/2008 7:44:27 AM PST by old school
I don't think Reagan's comment is controversial.
And I think Reagan also would understand that it would ENCOURAGE McCain to move to the right as well.
Some conservatives need to wake up and start thinking strategically and not emotions of the moment.
And most certainly already have or will.
Followed by 8 years of Ronald Reagan. In that George H.W. Bush followed Reagan's policy to it's conclusion, it also led to victory over "the Evil Empire."
The Carter disaster nourished the Reagan Revolution. It is interesting to contemplate what may have been the outcome if Ford had won in 1976. Reagan did endorse Ford because he had to, in the same way that Republican "politicians" now must support McCain over a Dem. That does not mean that grass roots conservatives are in any way obligated to get out and actually do the work required to elect a man that has demonstrated contempt for the movement.
“Ronald Reagan Would Back John McCain”
Reagan would say this to McCain campaign headqaurters: “We start bombing in five minutes”
Okay, so what if McCain had been as adament as Kennedy, Pelosi, etc. for cutting and running in Iraq - then the surge or some event happened and he said he ‘heard the american people’ and now is for winning the war. [like he claims to have on immigration] Would you find that hard to believe?
Would you believe Kennedy and Pelosi if they suddenly decided to be FOR securing the border first? NO. Do you believe that McCain is serious about securing the border first?
If McCain was FOR losing the war, there’d be no question it would be principled to not support him. Yet, he is FOR open borders and the destruction of our sovereignty, which ARE national security issues.
As far as I’m concerned we don’t have a country worth defending if the rule of law is optional and borders wide open.
Ahh you made my point, only much more concisely! Thank you!
I'm not, and I don't.
Rush and the others don’t need to join the gang. They aren’t republican shills, they talk about issues.
And where they disagree with McCain, they should say so, discussing the issues.
What they COULD do is stop with the “electing John McCain will be bad for us” stuff. Talk about issues, not about process.
I was just about to reply that you made my point, only with greater clarity. Thank you.
it is true that the Carter years led to the Reagan years. But they were bad.
Also, Carter did not make any Supreme Court nominations. The next President will make at least two in the first term.
This is the critical point.
As much as it sticks in my craw, that’s pro’ly what I’ll do too. We must consider that no matter how long-horned a RINO might be, in Congress they still count as an R when determining the majority. In retrospect, that may have been the ONLY carbon offset of value Lincoln Chaffee ever held.
-—”if you go over a cliff with all flags flying , you are still going over a cliff”—Ronald Reagan—
Not the question. The question is do we continue to rant and rave how bad McCain (formally McNut) is and end up with Hitlery or Obama? That is the question. 1/2 a conservative is better than none at all. What we should be doing is trying to get McCain to have Romney or Thompson as VP. McCain looks bad health wise. If he picks Lieberman or the such, watch it. And Polssssssssie is next in line. It's like a chess game, don't get stuck on past and only the next move. Look way ahead.
Hey, you keep it classy there, org!
Perhaps, but that's not the whole story. An elected official is expected to support the candidates of his party. It's a reasonable quid-pro-quo. It's not unreasonable for a politician to support his party's entire slate of candidates, even if he disagrees with some of them. Reagan would no doubt support his party's candidate.
But the real issue is McCain, not Reagan. And McCain has never shown the loyalty to his party that he demands of us. He's spent that past eight years undermining President Bush from the left. And Bush isn't even all that conservative. Just imagine if, in 2000, Reagan had been the candidate who bested McCain in the GOP primaries and went on to become president. Imagine how vicious McCain would have been toward Reagan as president. He would have treated Reagan even worse than he's treated Bush, because Reagan was more conservative.
McCain even toyed with the idea of switching to the Democrat Party at a time when the parties were split in the Senate and his switch would have given control to the 'Rats. He was negotiating to do this when Jeffords did his big drama queen turn, so the 'Rats got what they wanted and negotiations with McCain fell off.
Would Reagan have signed onto the destructive legislation McCain has signed onto? I know someone will pop up and say Reagan supported an amnesty. Yes, he did, of three million illegals, which was supposed to be the last such amnesty ever given because we were supposed to start protecting the border so that we never again had three million, or even one million, illegals in our nation. Reagan never dreamed that the Bush-Clinton-Bush presidencies would ignore the border and allow as many as twenty million illegals to sneak in.
Reagan would never have teamed with Kennedy on the immigration debacle proposed last year. There would never have been a Reagan-Feingold campaign "reform" bill or a Reagan-Lieberman climate control bill. Reagan would have never voted against the Bush tax cuts or formed the "gang of 14" or negotiated with Tom Daschle to possibly switch parties because he was peeved over losing the nomination.
Yes, that's right. Reagan lost the nomination in 1976 to Gerald Ford, and he endorsed Ford and worked for him. He didn't go running to the Democrats and try to negotiate a party switch in anger, which is exactly what McCain did. He didn't spend the next few years trying to sabotage the party to vent his anger at being denied the nomination, which McCain did.
So that's why I can't support McCain.
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