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Ronald Reagan Would Back John McCain
FrontPageMagazine ^ | February 15, 2008 | Michael Reagan

Posted on 02/15/2008 7:44:27 AM PST by old school

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To: jdm
The Gipper backed Ford, who was even worse than McCain.

I don't think Reagan's comment is controversial.

21 posted on 02/15/2008 7:55:40 AM PST by wideawake (Why is it that those who call themselves Constitutionalists know the least about the Constitution?)
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To: old school
Has the adopted boy got a from the grave mind melt going on.
22 posted on 02/15/2008 7:56:05 AM PST by org.whodat (What's the difference between a Democrat and a republican????)
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To: seekthetruth
four years with a RINO would be better than even one day with Hillary or Obama.

Walking through manure a foot deep for a year will kill you faster than swimming through the deep stuff for a day.
23 posted on 02/15/2008 7:56:20 AM PST by PeterPrinciple ( Seeking the truth here folks.)
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To: old school
Unlike my father, a lot of conservatives stayed home in 1976, and we got four years of Jimmy Carter, ...

Ahh, yes Michael, but because of those four years, we then got 8 wonderful years of your father. Without the conservatives staying home in 1976 (which was a fairly close election), I do not think that President Reagan would have been elected in 1980. I'm not saying the same thing is going to happen here, BUT, the four years of Carter, while terrible, and hard to live through is what made the 8 years of Reagan possible.

As I've said, I respect those who vote for McCain, they've got stronger stomachs than I. But while I admire President Reagan, and share his conservative values, I have the luxury of being a private citizen, not a potential candidate, so I do not have the pressure to cater to a political party for support in the future.

Michael Reagan is strong conservative voice , but on this, he and I will have to disagree. I think it is a stretch to say "By staying home those conservatives made possible the future election of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad." Using this logic, then conservatives to blame for 9/11 too, since because of Carter, the USSR was strengthened and emboldened, and then in 1979 (while Carter was still President) began the invasion of Afghanistan, giving rise to Osama Bin Laden, who in turn masterminded the 9/11 attacks?

I can understand how important he feels that conservatives sign up and vote for John McCain, but the scare tactics are getting a little tiresome.

And again, while I respect and admire Michael Reagan, I don't appreciate the sentiment he endorses when he says "The alternative is unthinkable to anyone who loves this nation." The hyperbole involved in that statement makes it sound as though he says anyone who votes for anyone other than McCain hates America...that's like Kanye West saying "George W. Bush hates black people."

For the record; I won't be staying home, either. I just won't be voting for McCain.
24 posted on 02/15/2008 7:58:39 AM PST by IMissPresidentReagan ("Don't give up your ideals, don't compromise, don't turn to expediency..."Ronald Reagan, 1976)
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To: old school
No doubt he would.
Not that McCain is all that.
But that Hilda-bama is all that is not.

And I think Reagan also would understand that it would ENCOURAGE McCain to move to the right as well.

Some conservatives need to wake up and start thinking strategically and not emotions of the moment.

And most certainly already have or will.

25 posted on 02/15/2008 7:58:46 AM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: old school
a lot of conservatives stayed home in 1976, and we got four years of Jimmy Carter

Followed by 8 years of Ronald Reagan. In that George H.W. Bush followed Reagan's policy to it's conclusion, it also led to victory over "the Evil Empire."

The Carter disaster nourished the Reagan Revolution. It is interesting to contemplate what may have been the outcome if Ford had won in 1976. Reagan did endorse Ford because he had to, in the same way that Republican "politicians" now must support McCain over a Dem. That does not mean that grass roots conservatives are in any way obligated to get out and actually do the work required to elect a man that has demonstrated contempt for the movement.

26 posted on 02/15/2008 7:58:53 AM PST by outofstyle (There's a rake at the gates of Hell tonight)
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To: old school

“Ronald Reagan Would Back John McCain”

Reagan would say this to McCain campaign headqaurters: “We start bombing in five minutes”


27 posted on 02/15/2008 7:59:19 AM PST by Rennes Templar ("The future ain't what it used to be".........Yogi Berra)
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To: old school

Okay, so what if McCain had been as adament as Kennedy, Pelosi, etc. for cutting and running in Iraq - then the surge or some event happened and he said he ‘heard the american people’ and now is for winning the war. [like he claims to have on immigration] Would you find that hard to believe?

Would you believe Kennedy and Pelosi if they suddenly decided to be FOR securing the border first? NO. Do you believe that McCain is serious about securing the border first?

If McCain was FOR losing the war, there’d be no question it would be principled to not support him. Yet, he is FOR open borders and the destruction of our sovereignty, which ARE national security issues.

As far as I’m concerned we don’t have a country worth defending if the rule of law is optional and borders wide open.


28 posted on 02/15/2008 8:00:23 AM PST by Swordfished
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To: old school
The best thing that happened to this country was Gerald Ford's loss in 1976. Reagan was amiable but the base, fortunately, was not; the base was surly and fed up with Republicans like Nixon and Ford, same old, same old. That fatigue led to a real leader--Ronald Reagan in 1980.

But that won't stop McCain supporters from shouting "let's vote in the same old incompetence! Let's vote in the same old contempt for the Constitution! Let's vote for Johny F-U- McCain!"
29 posted on 02/15/2008 8:00:30 AM PST by farmer18th (Conservatives who vote McCain are like abused dogs who keep licking their master's hand...)
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To: outofstyle

Ahh you made my point, only much more concisely! Thank you!


30 posted on 02/15/2008 8:00:38 AM PST by IMissPresidentReagan ("Don't give up your ideals, don't compromise, don't turn to expediency..."Ronald Reagan, 1976)
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To: old school
Reagan neede the support of the GOP. He was a politician.

I'm not, and I don't.

31 posted on 02/15/2008 8:01:51 AM PST by mikeus_maximus ('92, '96', '00', '06: The GOP didn't listen, they're not listening still... perhaps they never will.)
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To: KC_Conspirator

Rush and the others don’t need to join the gang. They aren’t republican shills, they talk about issues.

And where they disagree with McCain, they should say so, discussing the issues.

What they COULD do is stop with the “electing John McCain will be bad for us” stuff. Talk about issues, not about process.


32 posted on 02/15/2008 8:03:45 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: IMissPresidentReagan

I was just about to reply that you made my point, only with greater clarity. Thank you.


33 posted on 02/15/2008 8:04:05 AM PST by outofstyle (There's a rake at the gates of Hell tonight)
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To: IMissPresidentReagan

it is true that the Carter years led to the Reagan years. But they were bad.

Also, Carter did not make any Supreme Court nominations. The next President will make at least two in the first term.

This is the critical point.


34 posted on 02/15/2008 8:05:09 AM PST by Retired Greyhound
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To: old school

As much as it sticks in my craw, that’s pro’ly what I’ll do too. We must consider that no matter how long-horned a RINO might be, in Congress they still count as an R when determining the majority. In retrospect, that may have been the ONLY carbon offset of value Lincoln Chaffee ever held.


35 posted on 02/15/2008 8:05:21 AM PST by NonValueAdded (Who Would Montgomery Brewster Choose?)
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To: old school
sometimes, when I think the economy may be tanking, I think back on inflation at 11%, unemployment at 11 %, and, PRIME RATE at 21% (just think about that for a moment)I see just how quick a know nothing dimme can screw things up so bad it takes years to just turn to turn it around again. Then I consider the international goings on, and shudder what Obama or Hillary can do in a short four years.
36 posted on 02/15/2008 8:05:42 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: old school; All

-—”if you go over a cliff with all flags flying , you are still going over a cliff”—Ronald Reagan—


37 posted on 02/15/2008 8:05:49 AM PST by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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To: MNJohnnie
Question is does Reagan’s 11th Commandment apply to a person, such as John McCain, who has demonstrated he has no party loyalty at all?

Not the question. The question is do we continue to rant and rave how bad McCain (formally McNut) is and end up with Hitlery or Obama? That is the question. 1/2 a conservative is better than none at all. What we should be doing is trying to get McCain to have Romney or Thompson as VP. McCain looks bad health wise. If he picks Lieberman or the such, watch it. And Polssssssssie is next in line. It's like a chess game, don't get stuck on past and only the next move. Look way ahead.

38 posted on 02/15/2008 8:06:19 AM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: org.whodat
Has the adopted boy got a...

Hey, you keep it classy there, org!

39 posted on 02/15/2008 8:07:32 AM PST by rogue yam
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To: old school
Ronald Reagan would back John McCain

Perhaps, but that's not the whole story. An elected official is expected to support the candidates of his party. It's a reasonable quid-pro-quo. It's not unreasonable for a politician to support his party's entire slate of candidates, even if he disagrees with some of them. Reagan would no doubt support his party's candidate.

But the real issue is McCain, not Reagan. And McCain has never shown the loyalty to his party that he demands of us. He's spent that past eight years undermining President Bush from the left. And Bush isn't even all that conservative. Just imagine if, in 2000, Reagan had been the candidate who bested McCain in the GOP primaries and went on to become president. Imagine how vicious McCain would have been toward Reagan as president. He would have treated Reagan even worse than he's treated Bush, because Reagan was more conservative.

McCain even toyed with the idea of switching to the Democrat Party at a time when the parties were split in the Senate and his switch would have given control to the 'Rats. He was negotiating to do this when Jeffords did his big drama queen turn, so the 'Rats got what they wanted and negotiations with McCain fell off.

Would Reagan have signed onto the destructive legislation McCain has signed onto? I know someone will pop up and say Reagan supported an amnesty. Yes, he did, of three million illegals, which was supposed to be the last such amnesty ever given because we were supposed to start protecting the border so that we never again had three million, or even one million, illegals in our nation. Reagan never dreamed that the Bush-Clinton-Bush presidencies would ignore the border and allow as many as twenty million illegals to sneak in.

Reagan would never have teamed with Kennedy on the immigration debacle proposed last year. There would never have been a Reagan-Feingold campaign "reform" bill or a Reagan-Lieberman climate control bill. Reagan would have never voted against the Bush tax cuts or formed the "gang of 14" or negotiated with Tom Daschle to possibly switch parties because he was peeved over losing the nomination.

Yes, that's right. Reagan lost the nomination in 1976 to Gerald Ford, and he endorsed Ford and worked for him. He didn't go running to the Democrats and try to negotiate a party switch in anger, which is exactly what McCain did. He didn't spend the next few years trying to sabotage the party to vent his anger at being denied the nomination, which McCain did.

So that's why I can't support McCain.

40 posted on 02/15/2008 8:08:51 AM PST by puroresu (Enjoy ASIAN CINEMA? See my Freeper page for recommendations (updated!).)
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