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To: traviskicks
I'll grant that I'm a 50 something out of shape, carrying a few pounds more than I should be and I love life as much as anyone but ...

This guy had to stop and reload 3-4 times and I find it baffling that nobody, out of the scores or hundreds of people who were close by and knew what was going on, could retain a presence of mind enough to watch and track this guy so that they could jump him when he reloaded.

They ALL have to reload. Same at VA Tech but is it just that everyone's THAT scared? or are they all just waiting for someone else to do something? or is it me being an armchair hero?

i don't get it.

14 posted on 02/15/2008 7:56:15 PM PST by HeartlandOfAmerica (Don't blame me - I voted for Fred and am STILL a FredHead!)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

1) If they were hiding, they may not have recognized the sounds of a gun being reloaded. Too many young people have no experience whatsoever with arms.

2) Our government K-12 schools have thoroughly succeeded in emasculating the young men.


15 posted on 02/15/2008 11:21:43 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

People have 3 choices:

1) Flee

2) Fight back

3) Whimper and plead for your life.

Of the 3, which is the liberal response? Of the 3 what is being taught in our schools?


16 posted on 02/15/2008 11:25:25 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid.)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

A group of people with no training or experience in an unexpected situation. Perfectly normal behavior to not think in a strategic fashion.


17 posted on 02/15/2008 11:28:09 PM PST by durasell (!)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica
It’s the newest version of duck and cover. I never thought that my plywood desktop would save me from a Ruskie nuke, but we did the drill in elementary school.
I’m showing my age.
18 posted on 02/15/2008 11:28:16 PM PST by Kickass Conservative (Guns don't kill people, gun free zones kill people)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica
Many semi auto handguns can be reloaded and snapped shut in about one to two seconds. Of course during the design of these weapons that was the intent.

I would venture that if you wanted to charge the assailant during an attack you would need to be less than 10ft away during the reload.

26 posted on 02/16/2008 7:32:55 AM PST by mr_hammer (Checking the breeze and barking at things that go bump in the night...stupid dog?)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica
Many semi auto handguns can be reloaded and snapped shut in about one to two seconds. Of course during the design of these weapons that was the intent.

I would venture that if you wanted to charge the assailant during an attack you would need to be less than 10ft away during the reload.

27 posted on 02/16/2008 7:33:53 AM PST by mr_hammer (Checking the breeze and barking at things that go bump in the night...stupid dog?)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

“This guy had to stop and reload 3-4 times and I find it baffling that nobody, out of the scores or hundreds of people who were close by and knew what was going on, could retain a presence of mind enough to watch and track this guy so that they could jump him when he reloaded. “

Everyone remembers the part in the 2nd A about the right of the people to keep and bear arms. However, many of us forget the part about the well regulated militia. Militia being the people that is and well regulated meaning trained. We should be trained in the use of firearms and when to use them.

The reason that you find former military, policemen, firemen etc. responding to tragedies like this is not because they are better than the average person. It’s because they are better trained than the average person to respond to emergencies. I don’t know if you have ever been in combat but I can tell you from my experiences in combat that the reason you don’t panic is not because of bravery. It is because you have been trained what to do in different circumstances. This gives you the confidence to do it.

Do not blame the people that fled or were scared in this scenario. Blame the society that thinks a child pointing his finger at someone and yelling bang in a schoolyard deserves suspencion. These young people have responded exactly as they have been trained.


31 posted on 02/16/2008 8:49:16 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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