Posted on 02/16/2008 4:12:55 AM PST by rhema
“This whole argument falls apart when you consider that Obama will have his base sewn up and will be able to sprint to the center with the media running interference.”
That could easily be correct. However, once Obama starts running to the center, a lot of his newly found base will bolt. The youthful moonbats that Obama appeals too are as volatile as any voting bloc. As soon as he starts to move center, and they hear him soften his positions on ending the war (he can say whatever he wants, but the reality is that we’ll be there until we can leave, and that won’t be in 16 months)when he says we need alternate forms of energy(but he won’t promise a green economy). In my estimation the far left will turn out to be as shaky for Obama as the conservatives will be for McCain. I do agree that Obama may pull it off behind media interference, but I don’t think he’s the lock that he seems to be at the moment.
Prior to last Tuesday’s voting, McCain had won only 31% of the total primary vote and had become the “presumptive” nominee of the party. What party is stupid enough to nominate its maverick as the standard bearer? Answer: the GOP. McCain gamed the system and won. We will pay for it in November.
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There’s also the possibility of “Arkancide.” Remember the mysterious deaths suffered by those who get in the way of the Clintons. Vince Foster, Jim McDougal, Ron Brown, and even their dog Buddy.
That video and those charges, even if true, would only endear him to this current generation.
I wish that were true but most of them have no clue what he is position on anything is. He is the most blank slate everything to every listener con man of a politician ever. When he speaks he is so empty, so vacuous that every listener is able to project what ever they want to believe onto him and believe he is promising it to them. He can say what ever he wants and his fans will simply lap it up. Talk about real mind numbed robots!
I disagree. The last two elections have proven, if nothing else, that the country is split down the middle and the margins of victory for any candidate are slim. Obama will run as the anti-war candidate, and I think the appeal of that is vastly underestimated by the people on this forum, which is something of an echo chamber. If we had found WMD in Iraq it’d be different, but we didn’t. Ask any five people at random about Iraq and you aren’t going to hear “Let’s stay 100 years” from any of them. The Dems and the media will paint McCain as an old, out of touch, intemperate hotheaded warmonger, and that alone will get the youth and the base of the Dem party to the polls.
“I wish that were true but most of them have no clue what he is position on anything is. He is the most blank slate everything to every listener con man of a politician ever.”
Right, and that’s why I think the moonbats will bolt on him.
they want to know that there will be some payback, and he can’t promise that. He’s trying to appeal to the moderates in the middle, who he absolutely has to have in order to win. Being a reader of lots of blogs I know how pissed the Obama True Believers were when Obama said he didn’t see any grounds to impeach Bush on. He’s also said that there’s no reason, should he become president, to start a bunch of investigations. The grumbling has already started among his more rigid supporters. JMHO, but true believers get disenchanted pretty easily and tend to give up. Remember Howard Dean and his Deaniacs? Right at the moment Obamas supporters are going on blind faith because he hasn’t said anything to make them doubt him, but in the GE he will have to court the middle. There’s also the very real possibility that should he get the nomination, Hillary will quietly torpedo him in the GE so she can come back and run against McCain in 2012.
No, it is serious rational consideration of the current political situation in the country and a mature acknowledgment of the personalities and the politics involved.
Simply posting over and over "he will win" is the projection of desperation and fear of the poster onto reality.
Loyalty to a candidate is a fine thing. Blind feverish fanatic adoration of a candidate is not.
VERY difficult for any party to win the WH 3 years in a row. Stevension could not in 1952, Nixon could not in 1960, Humphery could not in 1968, Ford could not in 1976, Gore could not in 2000. The only one to pull it off, Bush 1, road Reagan's legacy in 1988.
Think McCain can ride Bush 2 legacy in 2008?
McCain, old, tired nearly broke 25 year DC insider who is going to be going against an articulate, smooth, 1 term Senator who is out slicking the Clintons in spreading the "Agent of change" BS.
McCain is going to get outspent about 7 to 1. He is going to be running with a depressed base against highly energized Democrat base who see in 2008 their 1st chance to control all 3 branches of Govt in 14 years.
The media is going to be screaming, fraudulently, about the Economy "being in recession" this fall. Obama alone is currently receiving MORE votes in his primaries then all the Republican Candidates combined. etc etc etc etc
Republicans should be working like mad to elect as many Congress critters as possible. It will be their only hope to derail any part of the Leftist freight train baring down on us.
Only problem is that is a total lie. Only people who have been consitent on the war has been Team Bush. McCain has had a different plan each year of the war. You can bet your last dollar Democrats are going to be highlighting McCain different position on Iraq. He only got solid on Iraq last Summer when it was clear the Surge was working.
“Obama will run as the anti-war candidate, and I think the appeal of that is vastly underestimated by the people on this forum,”
I agree with you that most people are tired of the war. I saw a poll recently though that showed domestic issues were the main concern this election. You could absolutely be correct that Obamas anti-war stance could push him to the top. Except i don’t think he can pull off what he’s promising, and I expect McCain to ambush him. As soon as Obama has to take a solid position he will start to lose supporters. JMHO, and I’m not trying to start a flame war but it seems Obama is trying the same thing GWB did. He tried to bring everybody together, and be all things to all groups, and he actually had some success at first, but it’s impossible to hold, and I think Obamas followers are more volatile than the conservatives are.
That's where 100% of our focus should be. McCain is a losing candidate for the general election, whatever he does to gain one conservative vote, he loses two mushy middle votes over.
I'm certainly not going to spend one precious dollar on McCain, and I won't waste a half puff of my breath trying to tell friends, family members, and co-workers to vote for him. I'd rather treat Obama or Hillary as a fait accompli, and strongly suggest that the best part of the Clinton administration was when he was balanced by a Congress from the other party. Surely, there is enough natural distrust of Hillary out there to make this plausible, even to leftward-leaning people who despise McCain. There may well be enough of a squirm factor on Obama to get people to make sure there are grown-ups in Congress for him to work with, and besides, he's promising to work with everybody in government without animosity, isn't he?
Since Congress has an especially low rating, a "throw out all incumbents" movement would be particularly fruitful this fall. Since Rats hold a majority of the seats in Congress, they'd predominantly be the ones swept out. Of course, in very conservative districts that send non-RINO Republicans to Congress, fear of Obama would make sure they kept that representative in place.
The strategies of "Keep Hillary honest, vote for a Republican Congress," or "Give Obama a new Congress to work with, we need fresh air in both elected parts of government," are the only way to begin rebuilding our party from the disaster it finds itself in presently.
You hit the nail on the head. McCain lost before he even gets the nomination. Best chance we have is McCain picking a conservative runnning maker and then being unable to run.
You hit the nail on the head. McCain lost before he even gets the nomination.
That would be great, but McCain is going to pick some old timer liberal rino moderate who’s “next in line” to be on the ticket, and we lose bigtime
My republican daughter is going to vote for Obama. “he’s different”. lolol.
I do agree with my daughter though that if Obama is elected the republicans and blue dogs will stand in his way. THAT could be a very good thing.
If not, it will be a carter re-do.
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