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LIVE THREAD-Haditha film on PBS Frontline tonight [9 ET]
PBS ^ | February 19, 2008 | Frontline

Posted on 02/19/2008 5:59:01 PM PST by RedRover

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To: Girlene

Yep. Nevermind being shot at...

And maybe he didn’t notice them because they were already dead. By the way... how does a grenade haphazardly thrown kill six to start with? re: house #1

The retired marines (with exception of those in Nam), don’t get the jihadis... they shoot behind women and children, use media, kill their own all for the cause.

They’re the worse kind of cowards.


61 posted on 02/19/2008 6:53:13 PM PST by AliVeritas ( To err is human, to screw up takes Berkeley 's City Council) Hope in God, not man.)
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To: RedRover
White is actually standing up for the Marines.

YES HE IS!!! He's changed his tune from the early days of his reporting at the Washington Post.
62 posted on 02/19/2008 6:53:45 PM PST by Girlene
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To: Girlene

Funny how they didn’t ask why McGirk held the tape so long.


63 posted on 02/19/2008 6:55:24 PM PST by AliVeritas ( To err is human, to screw up takes Berkeley 's City Council) Hope in God, not man.)
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To: RedRover
That surprised me. Now he can start his new career, how he was duped by John Murtha.
64 posted on 02/19/2008 6:56:51 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing; All
Do y’all think the program was fair to the Marines?
65 posted on 02/19/2008 6:58:24 PM PST by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: AliVeritas
The retired marines (with exception of those in Nam), don’t get the jihadis...

Well, at least some of them don't. However, for the most part, this was a fairly good overview of the incident that day, given the time limits.
66 posted on 02/19/2008 6:58:57 PM PST by Girlene
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To: jazusamo

Nope... only a semblance of fair.


67 posted on 02/19/2008 7:01:32 PM PST by AliVeritas ( To err is human, to screw up takes Berkeley 's City Council) Hope in God, not man.)
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To: Girlene; USMCVIETVET
I agree with Bruce Kesler's assessment (though I might have gone with a bit better grade than a B minus). Mostly, I'm just pleased to finally here some of "our side" getting an airing. It's been too long in coming.
68 posted on 02/19/2008 7:02:53 PM PST by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: jazusamo
That's a tough one, I'll give it a very grudging yes for now. It's hard to do the Marines justice in one hour. For what this documentary was, I can only say the Marines were not deliberately treated unfairly.
69 posted on 02/19/2008 7:05:42 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: AliVeritas
Funny how they didn’t ask why McGirk held the tape so long.

True. I guess he was "working" on his story. Tim McGirk was the weakest interview in the documentary, and yet he was the one, along with Murtha, who instigated the "Massacre" allegations. Wonder what he thinks of the tone of this documentary?
70 posted on 02/19/2008 7:05:55 PM PST by Girlene
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To: RedRover

Thanks for bringing the documentary to our attention. Hopefully the audience will come to understand the context of that tragic day.


71 posted on 02/19/2008 7:09:12 PM PST by Gene Eric
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To: jazusamo
I think it's a milestone in that the Marines' side of the story, for the first time, got airtime. So I can't be unhappy with the film.

The flaw was that the film tried too hard to be fair to everyone--including dubious characters like certain Iraqis and McGirk. Their stories were presented uncritically.

But we all have to take notice that the tide is turning. When the likes of Josh White at the WaPo and Tony Perry at the LA Times are no longer singing out of the Murtha choirbook, things have changed radically. I sense victory.

72 posted on 02/19/2008 7:09:27 PM PST by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: AliVeritas; smoothsailing

Thanks, I know it’s a hard question and I wasn’t expecting too much from it. I’m glad to hear they were not deliberately treated unfairly, that’s a change from how the media has handled it.


73 posted on 02/19/2008 7:09:47 PM PST by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: Gene Eric

I hope so too, Gene. Thanks for being a part of this tonight!


74 posted on 02/19/2008 7:10:01 PM PST by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: jazusamo
I'll be watching it again probably several times. It's well worth your viewing, Jaz. You get it out your way in a couple of hours I guess.
75 posted on 02/19/2008 7:11:01 PM PST by smoothsailing
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To: RedRover

Thanks, Red. That does sound encouraging and White is a surprise. Earlier today Perry surprised me so at least something is happening for the better.

Thanks for the thread.


76 posted on 02/19/2008 7:13:17 PM PST by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: Girlene

>> True. I guess he was “working” on his story.

McGirk should have washed the ambition off his face before his interview.


77 posted on 02/19/2008 7:15:19 PM PST by Gene Eric
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To: smoothsailing

Yes, 1 hour and 45 minutes, I wouldn’t miss it for nuthin. Like you I’ll probably be watching when it reruns too. Thanks!


78 posted on 02/19/2008 7:15:21 PM PST by jazusamo (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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To: smoothsailing

Gee...for some reason I didn’t know where PBS was on my HD Comcast lineup.
It’s not in sync with the standard PBS schedule.

So, now I’ll catch it at 9:00 p.m. MDT on standard PBS.


79 posted on 02/19/2008 7:16:41 PM PST by G Larry (HILLARY CARE = DYING IN LINE!)
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To: jazusamo; Girlene; smoothsailing; All
News from the Associated Press...

Group seeks deposition of Congressman Murtha in Haditha case , February 19, 2008

CAMP PENDLETON, Calif.—A legal advocacy group that supports Christians has filed motions to dismiss charges against a Marine Corps officer accused of failing to investigate the killing of 24 people by Marines in Haditha, Iraq, in 2005.

The Thomas More Law Center filed five motions in advance of Wednesday's pretrial hearing for Lt. Col. Jeffrey R. Chessani at Camp Pendleton.

Among the motions filed are requests to compel the deposition of U.S. Rep. John Murtha over comments he made about Marines killing "in cold blood" in Haditha and two motions to dismiss all charges against Chessani.

Chessani is the highest-ranking U.S. serviceman to face a combat-related court-martial since the Vietnam War. Chessani has been charged with dereliction of duty and violation of a lawful order on allegations that he mishandled the aftermath of the Nov. 19, 2005, shooting deaths in Haditha.

Earlier that day, the squad's convoy was struck by a roadside bomb, killing one Marine and wounding another. In the aftermath, squad members killed 24 Iraqi civilians, authorities have said.

Chessani was commander of the Camp Pendleton-based 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment that has been the focus of the largest prosecution of U.S. troops in the Iraq war.

The decision to send Chessani to trial came after a hearing officer blasted him for failing to go to the scene of the killings immediately after they occurred.

Chessani has said he never ordered a formal investigation because he believed the deaths resulted from lawful combat.

Chessani, of Rangely, Colo., faces court-martial on April 28. If convicted on all counts, he faces up to three years in prison.

Also expected to face a pre-trial hearing Wednesday is Staff Sgt. Frank Wuterich, 27, of Meriden, Conn., who has been charged with voluntary manslaughter, aggravated assault, reckless endangerment, dereliction of duty and obstruction of justice. The charge of voluntary manslaughter includes specifications of a personal role in at least nine killings, naming seven victims plus one or more unknown people, and that he ordered a lance corporal to kill a person.

Wuterich's court-martial was scheduled to begin March 3.

Four enlisted Marines were initially charged with murder in the case, and four officers were charged with failing to investigate the deaths. Charges against several of the men have been dropped, and none will face murder charges.

A judge has set an April 28 court-martial for 1st Lt. Andrew Grayson, of Springboro, Ohio, on charges of making false official statements, obstruction of justice and attempting to fraudulently separate from the Marine Corps.

80 posted on 02/19/2008 7:18:25 PM PST by RedRover (DefendOurMarines.org | DefendOurTroops.org)
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