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DC v. Heller - Montana prepares to secede
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Posted on 02/19/2008 7:35:11 PM PST by djf

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1 posted on 02/19/2008 7:35:12 PM PST by djf
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To: djf
A collective rights decision by the court in Heller would invoke an era of unilaterally revisable contracts by violating the statehood contract between the United States and Montana, and many other states.

That era began in 1865. Was Montana not paying attention?

2 posted on 02/19/2008 7:38:39 PM PST by FR Class of 1998 (the long term solution to corruption is to starve the government of money)
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To: djf

Interesting! Very interesting!!


3 posted on 02/19/2008 7:38:54 PM PST by davisfh (Islam is a mental illness)
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To: nnn0jeh

ping


4 posted on 02/19/2008 7:40:25 PM PST by kalee (The offenses we give, we write in the dust; Those we take, we write in marble. JHuett)
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To: djf

Well, Montana’s a really nice place to live...


5 posted on 02/19/2008 7:43:46 PM PST by EternalVigilance (If all you've got left is a choice of the lesser of evils, you've awakened in HELL)
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To: EternalVigilance

But is it big enough?


6 posted on 02/19/2008 7:44:48 PM PST by DBrow
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To: FR Class of 1998

This is different. It would allow, according to Texas v Lee, the consent of the States for a legal secession. We just considered it not 2 years ago for a 10 acre town stranded in Canada.

But this would be different at a fundamental level. The statehood contracts would at first, simply revert Montana to a Territory, eliminating all Federal tax revenues from the state.

Quite. Different. And quite legal, just, and persuasive.


7 posted on 02/19/2008 7:45:16 PM PST by Republicanus_Tyrannus
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To: EternalVigilance

It’s crossed my mind - more than once!


8 posted on 02/19/2008 7:45:20 PM PST by djf (I think McCain deserves a chance. After all, he is on R side!)
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To: djf

If Obama is elected, we all should secede.


9 posted on 02/19/2008 7:45:47 PM PST by Redmen4ever
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To: EternalVigilance; djf
Well, Montana’s a really nice place to live...

I'm more of an Idaho guy myself...

10 posted on 02/19/2008 7:47:38 PM PST by GOP_Raider (With parting breath we'll sing that song "A Utah Man Am I" RIP GBH)
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To: djf

Now it begins... I expect Idaho to follow Montana’s lead. Let us see who has a bigger set of brass nuts: the SCOTUS or Montana. I’ll put my money on Montana.


11 posted on 02/19/2008 7:48:42 PM PST by RTO (Salve Regina, ora pro nobis!)
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To: Republicanus_Tyrannus
That's it...

I'm moving to Montana soon. nevermind the dental floss...

12 posted on 02/19/2008 7:48:56 PM PST by BlueDragon (...but we decide which is right, and which is an illusion)
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To: Redmen4ever

Amen!


13 posted on 02/19/2008 7:48:59 PM PST by doc1019
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To: djf

I am in Colorado and have been looking at moving if the SC defiles the Bill of Rights.


14 posted on 02/19/2008 7:49:15 PM PST by MtnClimber ("Bullfighting, Mountain Climbing and Auto-Racing are the only real sports. Everything else are merel)
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To: djf

Count on my family moving to Montana in that case!


15 posted on 02/19/2008 7:49:18 PM PST by bill1952 (I will vote for McCain if he resigns his Senate seat before this election.)
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To: DBrow

The sky certainly is.


16 posted on 02/19/2008 7:50:15 PM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: djf

Whats a small “double-wide” on 100 acres going for these days in south central Montana?


17 posted on 02/19/2008 7:50:33 PM PST by CapnJack
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To: EternalVigilance

Yeah, its grand, but quite expensive.


18 posted on 02/19/2008 7:50:39 PM PST by RTO (Salve Regina, ora pro nobis!)
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I wish to emphasize "would...revert Montana to a Territory, eliminating all Federal Tax Revenues from the state."

As a way of making somone wake the hell up and pay serious attention, this is a masterpiece.

19 posted on 02/19/2008 7:50:49 PM PST by Republicanus_Tyrannus
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To: djf

I’m a southern boy by birth, but by God I would put up with the snow for this.


20 posted on 02/19/2008 7:51:18 PM PST by TheZMan (I'm going to write my own name on the ballot. Screw the current crop of "conservatives".)
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To: BlueDragon

LMAO


21 posted on 02/19/2008 7:51:29 PM PST by RTO (Salve Regina, ora pro nobis!)
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To: GOP_Raider

Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Utah.

That should be big enough...

;-)


22 posted on 02/19/2008 7:51:42 PM PST by EternalVigilance (If all you've got left is a choice of the lesser of evils, you've awakened in HELL)
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To: Republicanus_Tyrannus

I think the feds would use force if necessary to stop a secession. They haven’t cared about law during my lifetime, that’s for sure.


23 posted on 02/19/2008 7:51:52 PM PST by FR Class of 1998 (the long term solution to corruption is to starve the government of money)
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To: RTO
Yeah, its grand, but quite expensive.

Not really. The per capita income is one of the lowest in the Union. In constant competition with Mississippi for lowest, if my memory serves.

24 posted on 02/19/2008 7:53:20 PM PST by EternalVigilance (If all you've got left is a choice of the lesser of evils, you've awakened in HELL)
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To: EternalVigilance

I took the train east2west Chicago to Seattle once, and it went through Montana.

It was beautiful. Just stunning. The only area I ever saw that I could say would be comparable was eastern Oregon, which is as close to paradise as a man could want.

The nearest Safeway is 100 miles away, but what the hey!!


25 posted on 02/19/2008 7:54:51 PM PST by djf (I think McCain deserves a chance. After all, he is on R side!)
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To: pissant; ImaGraftedBranch; Joe Brower; Petronski; CJ Wolf; Jim Robinson; Politicalmom; Allegra; ...

Something to ponder...?


26 posted on 02/19/2008 7:55:21 PM PST by Ultra Sonic 007 (Look at all the candidates. Choose who you think is best. Choose wisely in 2008.)
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To: FR Class of 1998
Yes, but the point I was making was that 1) there is a legal way to do it (which needs a supermajority of all states approval)and 2) this is a threat of becoming a Territory, not seceding.

And the threat is legal (one could argue, is actually legally required), and it's actually beneficial for the State.

27 posted on 02/19/2008 7:56:14 PM PST by Republicanus_Tyrannus
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To: anyone

How’s the skiing up there?


28 posted on 02/19/2008 7:57:55 PM PST by guido911 (Islamic terrorists are members of the "ROP", the "religion of pu*&ies")
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To: EternalVigilance

I know a woman who is a teacher in the city of McCook Nebraska, and she is from Montana. Her advice to me was that her state is quite beautiful, but too costly to live in. I would like to think she is exaggerating, but not living there, I don’t know. I do have a desire to retire in Montana... visited there once... absolutely impressed with its beauty.


29 posted on 02/19/2008 7:58:18 PM PST by RTO (Salve Regina, ora pro nobis!)
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To: djf

If the courts decide to change the meaning of the Constitution, many states besides Montana could sue for breach of contract.


30 posted on 02/19/2008 7:59:34 PM PST by BuffaloJack (Before the government can give you a dollar it must first take it from another American)
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee

Ping!


31 posted on 02/19/2008 8:00:55 PM PST by coloradan (The US is becoming a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: BuffaloJack

That will separate the wheat from the chaff in a hurry. Pack up your guns boys, we’re heading West.


32 posted on 02/19/2008 8:01:38 PM PST by RTO (Salve Regina, ora pro nobis!)
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To: BuffaloJack

And if it is over 2/3rds of the States, a very unsettling option becomes available - a Constitutional Convention could easily then be called.

And that’s something for the very, very last resort in my book. Mainly because I don’t trust us to do one correctly unless there’s absolutely no other option.


33 posted on 02/19/2008 8:02:27 PM PST by Republicanus_Tyrannus
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To: DBrow

But is it big enough?

bigger than Kosovo


34 posted on 02/19/2008 8:02:34 PM PST by tired1 (responsibility without authority is slavery!)
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To: DBrow
But is it big enough?

They don't call it "Big Sky" for nothin' !
35 posted on 02/19/2008 8:02:54 PM PST by rickomatic
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To: BuffaloJack

Knowing Colorado’s constitution, This would be a breech here too. But commie bill ritter would lobby against it.


36 posted on 02/19/2008 8:03:23 PM PST by MtnClimber ("Bullfighting, Mountain Climbing and Auto-Racing are the only real sports. Everything else are merel)
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To: djf
I was thinking that this was apocryphal, given that your source is an email, but then I found this...

JOHNSON JOINS "HELLER" CHORUS

 

HELENA—Secretary of State Brad Johnson  joined the many other Montanans who have weighed in on the DC v. Heller case currently before the U.S. Supreme Court.  A letter to the editor from Johnson appeared in today’s Washington Times, urging the court to protect an individual’s right to bear arms.

“This is an important issue for Montanans,” Johnson said. “Many of Montana’s elected officials spoke out on this issue; I am proud to be among them.”

The letter can be found at this link.

Johnson’s letter argued that Montana’s agreement with the United States to enter the union included Montana’s constitution at the time, which guaranteed the right of “any person” to bear arms. He urged the Supreme Court to uphold an individual rights interpretation of the Second Amendment, rather than a collective interpretation, as best in keeping with Montana’s Compact with the United States.

Many other elected officials around Montana have concurred in a statement of the same argument, in a bipartisan effort to defend Montanans’ individual right to keep and bear arms. The list of officials, as well as their resolution, can be found at: http://www.progunleaders.org.


37 posted on 02/19/2008 8:03:35 PM PST by Redcloak ("A plague o' both your houses!")
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To: EternalVigilance
Well, Montana’s a really nice place to live...

Governor: Brian Schweitzer (D)

Senior Senator: Max Baucus (D)
Junior Senator: Jon Tester (D)

Montana State House of Representatives: 1 vote GOP majority
Montana State Senate: Two vote Democrat majority.

Attorney General: Mike McGrath (D)

Yep, Montana is a really nice place to live. It's New Jersey on the Rockies.

38 posted on 02/19/2008 8:03:47 PM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: EternalVigilance
Not really ... no oceans and lotsa cougars and grizzlies - to say nothing of Montanans
39 posted on 02/19/2008 8:04:51 PM PST by Seajay (Ordem e Progresso)
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To: djf

Excellent!


40 posted on 02/19/2008 8:05:18 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life)
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To: djf

Do you happen to know if Montana Officials have filed a brief with the U.S. Supreme Court stating this, or otherwise affirming the RKBA in support of the 2nd Amendment?


41 posted on 02/19/2008 8:06:13 PM PST by Enterprise ((Those who "betray us" also "Betray U.S." They're called DEMOCRATS!))
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To: BuffaloJack

Well, they weaseled out of the gold and silver clause by holding that the Federal Government wasn’t a State, so it didn’t apply.

Now they’re trying to go in the other direction, by passing unconstitutional laws in DC.

I’ve heard stories about people in DC getting arrested simply for handing out folders on the sidewalk. They are pretty restrictive there.


42 posted on 02/19/2008 8:06:39 PM PST by djf (I think McCain deserves a chance. After all, he is on R side!)
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To: EternalVigilance
Idaho, Montana, Wyoming, Utah. That should be big enough... ;-)

Push the boundaries a little bit west to the Cascade mountain crest in both WA and OR. There are plenty of "wet side" northwesterners ready to move 150 miles to the east already. The Cascade range makes for a better boundary to guard anyway. :)
43 posted on 02/19/2008 8:07:57 PM PST by rickomatic
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To: Redcloak

My sources are pretty good.


44 posted on 02/19/2008 8:08:12 PM PST by djf (I think McCain deserves a chance. After all, he is on R side!)
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To: djf

And Montana will do... WHAT? Secede? Hahahahaha! This is the sort of idiocy that the same people who bought into the “sovreign citizen” and admiralty courts scam will believe. Montana is going to do whatever the USSC tells it to do. No more. No less. The Federal cops will ensure that they do. The States were enslaved to the federal beast over 135 years ago


45 posted on 02/19/2008 8:09:01 PM PST by Seruzawa (Atilla the hun... he was a liberal, right?)
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To: DBrow

It’s land locked so it’s a no brainer.


46 posted on 02/19/2008 8:10:56 PM PST by ScratInTheHat (Don't like my immigration stance? I'm dyslexic. PC keeps sounding like BS to me!)
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To: EternalVigilance; RTO
Not really. The per capita income is one of the lowest in the Union.

It is cheap to live here, but there isn't much money to be made either.

47 posted on 02/19/2008 8:11:25 PM PST by roamer_1 (Conservative always, Republican no more.)
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To: Seajay

Montana....where the sky is big....and the sheep are nervous.


48 posted on 02/19/2008 8:11:54 PM PST by rickomatic
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To: djf; Jeff Head; Sir Gawain; Joe Brower; DaveLoneRanger

Bump


49 posted on 02/19/2008 8:13:06 PM PST by Fiddlstix (Warning! This Is A Subliminal Tagline! Read it at your own risk!(Presented by TagLines R US))
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To: djf
Just curious. Does Montana have any ICBM bases?

Cheers!

50 posted on 02/19/2008 8:13:47 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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