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To: stefan10

There is a fine line between law and mob rule.

Without a concept of God, in a secular state, the law almost always becomes mob rule.

Documents with lots of stamps and long titles are not neccessarily good or right.

**** Who am i or any other individual that i can decide whether i want to follow a certain law or not

Hopefully a human being, someone that can reason and lives by some sort of moral code, able to see through the fog. Those who followed the orders and shoved people into ovens were only following orders after all! A higher authority does not suspend your ability to think or to know what is right from wrong, or at least so I hope.

If a law violates basic concepts, goes against certain “unalienable rights” you are a hero if you do not follow them. A family hiding a Jewish woman in 1944 is in violation of the law, they are also very right in doing so, even heroes in my book.

**** We live in a democracy with a rule of law. There are clear ways how to change laws and we can vote for lower taxes but we also have to accept if a majority of people votes in a different way that´s democracy.

In a democracy you have the right to not vote, you have the right to petition, picket, assemble, to passive resistance. It was passive resistance that largely accomplished the civil rights agenda of the 60s. Without passive resistance what attention would have been brought upon segregation? Where would Rosa Parks sit on that bus today?

Government is for the people and by the people, you have a right to voice your opinion, you have a right to protest what is stupid, and you are not a sheeple that needs guided by the great government hand that puts the diapers on you as a baby and fills in your grave at death.

***** In a society a individual can not separate the laws he wants to follow from the ones he does not like because as said who knows which laws your neighbor does not like.

Do you follow the speed limit all the time? It was illegal to re-import certain cars and then from one day to the next it was OK. Those people who did it before the magic date, they are criminals, but those after the date are OK?

You Germans always make things more complex than they are. In the words of Oliver Wendell Holmes, “The right to swing my fist ends where the other man’s nose begins.” The rest is relativistic gibberish, the sort of stuff that is used to justify taking away guns, banning hate speech (Volksverhetzung), taxing people so they spend their money on more ecological or healthier products, or whatever other nonsense for the “collective good” is deemed by the mob as right that day.


7 posted on 02/21/2008 9:01:29 PM PST by Red6 (Come and take it.)
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To: Red6
Your argumentation would be right in a totalitaristic country but germany is a democracy and i believe in democratic institutions and rules although i do not agree with all the decisions.

We could have a long discussion about the german tax system and i would clearly support a lot of changes here. Because of my profession i know enough about the amount of money that leaves germany and the people who act like Mr Zumwinkel.

You can not compete with such small countries like Lichtenstein and their 0,01% taxation in the middle of europe. Lichtestein has 35.000 inhabitants and is smaller than my home county. Switzerland Lichtenstein and Luxemburg have a very rich and fine living payed by the rest of europe.
I can understand that they want to protect their system looking at their gdp per head but the problem remains. we have a country or better countries with a criminal business model but they are dependent on free capital transfer and open borders that´s why they all want to be part of Schengen.

In the end it is very easy germany and the EU should follow the US model or the OECD ideas. The uS has a agreement with Lichtenstein. The US tax authorities get informations from Lichtenstein if a US citizen brings his money to Lichtenstein. So beware big brother is already watching you. The US is much tougher here than germany. The OECD wants to tax money that is transfered to Lichtenstein and so on.

Lichtenstein is just the start of a longterm project. WE have the discussion about the taxation of income from interests rates or capital gains for such a long time in europe and the problems are always the small nations Monaco Lichtenstein Andora and Siwtzerland hiding behind these small partners.

8 posted on 02/22/2008 2:02:58 AM PST by stefan10
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