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Girlfriend: [NIU] Shooter was taking cocktail of 3 drugs
CNN Special Investigations Unit ^ | 2/20/2008 | Abbie Boudreau and Scott Zamost

Posted on 02/20/2008 3:31:12 PM PST by do not press 2 for spanish

Steven Kazmierczak had been taking three drugs prescribed for him by his psychiatrist, the Northern Illinois University gunman's girlfriend told CNN.

Jessica Baty said Steven Kazmierczak was irritable but not erratic before his shooting rampage.

Jessica Baty said Tuesday that her boyfriend of two years had been taking Xanax, used to treat anxiety, and Ambien, a sleep agent, as well as the antidepressant Prozac.

Baty said the psychiatrist prescribed the medications, a fact that made her so "nervous" that she tried to persuade Kazmierczak to stop taking one of the drugs.

(Excerpt) Read more at cnn.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ambien; andstudyingarabic; drugcocktail; kazmierczak; mentalillness; niu; niushooter; prozac; prozacnation; psychiatry; ssri; ssris; xanax
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I have no firsthand experience with any of that stuff, but it sounds like an Rx for disaster, destruction and death. Obviously, it was for his victims and one of the Columbine shooter's victims.
1 posted on 02/20/2008 3:31:16 PM PST by do not press 2 for spanish
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To: do not press 2 for spanish
You can almost bet that he was on ritlin when he was in grade school....just to calm him down...

..you know....to stop him from acting like a boy.....

2 posted on 02/20/2008 3:34:12 PM PST by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance......)
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To: do not press 2 for spanish

AMBIEN! You’ve heard me before, but I’ll say it again: DON”T TAKE AMBIEN! Ask your doctor for something else. I almost burnt down my house cuz of that drug!


3 posted on 02/20/2008 3:34:26 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: do not press 2 for spanish

Three very serious drugs mixed in an anguished mind in unknown ratios and quantities.

Hmmmm.


4 posted on 02/20/2008 3:37:11 PM PST by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: do not press 2 for spanish
But.. but.. but... Ambien and Prozac have little advertising mascots of smiling raindrops and beautiful magical butterflies!

Smiling raindrops and magical butterflies wouldn't mass-murder people with a shotgun, would they?!

Oh, someone hold me!

5 posted on 02/20/2008 3:39:11 PM PST by The KG9 Kid
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To: B.O. Plenty

That was “normal” when I was in grade school, back in the 50s. Now, we’d all be drugged beyond belief.


6 posted on 02/20/2008 3:39:44 PM PST by do not press 2 for spanish
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To: do not press 2 for spanish

Xanax and Ambien are sedatives, but sometimes they cause a paradoxical excitement. This is especially true if they are taken recreationally in larger dosages than prescribed.

The Prozac has been implicated in a few vulnerable individuals developing a mania. This is more likely in individuals diagnosed with a bipolar disorder-depressed.


7 posted on 02/20/2008 3:40:17 PM PST by shrinkermd
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra
My doc offered me that once, and I refused. I just got myself back into my normal “circadian rhythm”, and it worked itself out.
8 posted on 02/20/2008 3:41:52 PM PST by do not press 2 for spanish
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To: Petronski

Recipe for disaster, destruction and death.


9 posted on 02/20/2008 3:42:42 PM PST by do not press 2 for spanish
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To: do not press 2 for spanish

Jack Nicholson has been quoted as saying:

“I warned him (Keith Ledger) about Ambien. I took it once and somebody called me in the middle of the night and I woke up in my car 50 yards from my house. I almost drove off a cliff. I didn’t know where I was. Ambien can get you. Not through excessive use, it’s just some people react more strongly than others.”


10 posted on 02/20/2008 3:43:23 PM PST by kcvl
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To: do not press 2 for spanish

Why do you think God gave us beer?


11 posted on 02/20/2008 3:43:54 PM PST by spanalot
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To: shrinkermd

After reading about those three on Google, I can’t even imagine a doc prescribing that toxic cocktail. Insane!


12 posted on 02/20/2008 3:44:08 PM PST by do not press 2 for spanish
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To: spanalot

To prove that He loves us and wants us to be happy.


13 posted on 02/20/2008 3:46:09 PM PST by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: do not press 2 for spanish

What other drugs will affect Ambien?

Before taking Ambien, tell your doctor if you are using any of the following drugs:

antidepressants such as imipramine (Janimine, Tofranil), fluoxetine (Prozac, Sarafem), or sertraline (Zoloft);

If you are using any of these drugs, you may not be able to use this medication


14 posted on 02/20/2008 3:47:57 PM PST by kcvl
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To: B.O. Plenty
.you know....to stop him from acting like a boy.....

I subscribe to a magazine called SALVO (www.salvomag.com). It's very anti-PC. It runs fake advertisements that ridicule things that deserve ridicule.

The current issue has an "ad" on the back cover that reads:

Does your son act too much like a little boy?

Does he have trouble listening or have a puerile sense of humor?

Is he easily distracted?

Does he have a propensity to get dirty?

Does he enjoy playing with violent toys?

If you answered "yes" to any of these questions, then it might be time to medicate your son.

E-MASQL8 Plus

A cure for the common boy.

15 posted on 02/20/2008 3:50:02 PM PST by JoeFromSidney (My book is out. Read excerpts at http://www.thejusticecooperative.com)
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To: do not press 2 for spanish

Well, the obvious answer is more gun control.


16 posted on 02/20/2008 3:51:02 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: kcvl

I have a good friend who’s a cop. He’s told me stories about stopping cars in which the driver was “sleep-driving!” One guy was nekid! Always AMBIEN involved. I kept wakin’ up in the morning and finding the remains of a meal. One night I put chicken on to fry, then stretched out in front of the tv. The tv wasn’t on, but I guess I was watchin’ something! Woke up when the smoke reached me on the floor. I used to sleepwalk as a kid. AMBIEN reawakened my sleepwalking in a most dangerous way. DO NOT TAKE THIS DRUG!


17 posted on 02/20/2008 3:51:57 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing")
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To: spanalot

I used to drink before sleeping, but after the alcohol wore-off, I’d wake-up. That sucked at 2am!


18 posted on 02/20/2008 3:52:06 PM PST by do not press 2 for spanish
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To: Larry Lucido

lol. Green tea coming out of my nose. Yuk.


19 posted on 02/20/2008 3:53:47 PM PST by do not press 2 for spanish
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To: do not press 2 for spanish
My 14 yo son is driving my crazy !!!!

Just opening the door and coming home from school is enough to literally destroy any semblance of clean and orderliness in ... ohhh .... sayyyyy .... 5 minutes.

His room is a disaster ... I emptied it the other day ... took the bed down and everything ... cleaned walls, vacumned etc. ... (just about the most amazingly fine job a single dad has ever done in human history!)

The other day ... remember that .... I'm trying to.

His room is ankle deep in clothes, prncil shavings, discarded drawings .. etc.

Bless his heart, he don't stop from the time he opens his eyes until the time he passes out (yes ... he refuses sleep)

But he gets up ... does his life thing with vigor ... and by God!, he'll be a man to be reckoned with someday.

20 posted on 02/20/2008 3:57:55 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: do not press 2 for spanish
"Jessica Baty said Tuesday that her boyfriend of two years ... "What possible relationship could there be in such a drugged mentality?

What did they talk about?

21 posted on 02/20/2008 3:59:21 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: knarf

Sounds like our tent at Scout Summer Camp, back in the late-50s. We knew where everything was, but as soon as we were ordered (at gunpoint) to clean it, we lost track of it all! All kinds of critters scurried for their lives when the cleaning commenced!

Back in the day.


22 posted on 02/20/2008 4:00:57 PM PST by do not press 2 for spanish
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To: knarf

I’m not sure I’d want to know “those details”, knarf.


23 posted on 02/20/2008 4:02:27 PM PST by do not press 2 for spanish
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To: do not press 2 for spanish

Back about nine or ten years ago I was dealing with cancer and other problems, and my doctor put me on Zoloft. I got so peaceful and pleasant I couldn’t stand myself. I quit taking them without any serious effects, but wouldn’t recommend it. Any time there is a murder suicide, the first thing to look for is antidepressants. The problem seems to start when people quit taking them without tapering off..


24 posted on 02/20/2008 4:02:34 PM PST by pallis
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To: do not press 2 for spanish

well that means you didnt dance enough


25 posted on 02/20/2008 4:02:43 PM PST by spanalot
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic/zolpid_ad.htm


26 posted on 02/20/2008 4:10:26 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Petronski
And then he quits the drugs, goes out and murders a bunch of people three weeks later ~

Did you stop to think that maybe the drugs were doing their job ~ keeping him from murdering people, and stopping the drugs led to the murders.

I'm thinking that for some cases we need to eliminate outpatient treatment and move these guys behind walls.

27 posted on 02/20/2008 4:11:59 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

I lost a day of my life due to Ambien, and could have lost my job. I was falling on my desk on the day we met our new manager. I don’t remember much that happened.


28 posted on 02/20/2008 4:12:12 PM PST by Sender (Approach love and cooking with reckless abandon.)
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To: kcvl

4%


29 posted on 02/20/2008 4:12:36 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: spanalot

That would be an ugly sight...


30 posted on 02/20/2008 4:14:02 PM PST by do not press 2 for spanish
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To: muawiyah

Yes I did stop to think of that.

The Luddite whispering campaigns against SSRIs irritate me to no end.


31 posted on 02/20/2008 4:14:48 PM PST by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: pallis

Sage advice.


32 posted on 02/20/2008 4:17:05 PM PST by do not press 2 for spanish
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To: kcvl
Some people have bad reactions to all sorts of things. I'd started using a viamin supplement packet sold by COSTCO. Looked pretty good and with a little work you could figure out which of about a dozen pills was what.

Well, I didn't do that and took them all at once. Something in there was making me sick. Swelling in my mouth, choking sensations, stomach ache, etc.

Since this stuff is not regulated there's no notice anywhere on "side-effects".

Long story short ~ I just discovered yesterday that it was the "rose berries" that had been ground up and processed for the vitamin C pills. They have the same nasty chemistry that apple and peach skins do that gives me welts in the mouth and an upset stomach.

Probably a full 1/2 of 1% of the population has some reaction like that ~ but no one cares, and when it happens, I don't go out and kill a bunch of people.

With drugs you must always be more careful because even if almost everyone else is "equal" in terms of their reaction you may be the 1 odd guy out ~ a veritable cornucopia of neuroses, anxieties and maniacal madness ready to leap out and do nasty stuff.

33 posted on 02/20/2008 4:18:02 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Ambien, the scariest drug I have ever taken!


34 posted on 02/20/2008 4:18:46 PM PST by muggs
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To: do not press 2 for spanish

I know for a fact that coming off of prozac can make some folks pretty crazy....


35 posted on 02/20/2008 4:20:37 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: do not press 2 for spanish

Possibility of a sleepwalker?

Are sleepwalkers capable of hiding stuff and finding it while sleepwalking next time?


36 posted on 02/20/2008 4:20:58 PM PST by varyouga ("Rove is some mysterious God of politics & mind control" - DU 10-24-06)
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To: neverdem; dennisw

ping


37 posted on 02/20/2008 4:21:31 PM PST by Travis McGee (---www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com---)
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To: Petronski; muawiyah
I heard Savage say that that whole class of drugs — Celexa®, Lexapro®, Prozac®, Prozac Weekly®, Paxil®, Paxil CR®, Zoloft® — should be banned, and probably will within 5 years.

I'm thinking that they probably have their place in the treatment regimens, but abrupt withdrawl is what triggers the violent reactions, and shootings.

38 posted on 02/20/2008 4:22:29 PM PST by do not press 2 for spanish
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To: The KG9 Kid

Quite a few years ago my doctor prescribed Zyban for me to help me quit smoking. We had no insurance coverage at the time and it was a fortune. I took it one day and I stopped. I was never so screwed up in my life. I’ll take the cigarettes over that anyday.


39 posted on 02/20/2008 4:23:02 PM PST by ShadowDancer ( Losers always look for excuses. Winners never quit.)
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To: The KG9 Kid

I meant no prescription coverage.


40 posted on 02/20/2008 4:26:17 PM PST by ShadowDancer ( Losers always look for excuses. Winners never quit.)
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To: Travis McGee

I’ve heard of similar reactions from several others, like Zoloft, as well. It’s the abrupt ending of it, which seems to be responsible for the violent behavior in some people.

See my post #38, pls.


41 posted on 02/20/2008 4:27:07 PM PST by do not press 2 for spanish
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To: do not press 2 for spanish
I heard Savage say that that whole class of drugs — Celexa®, Lexapro®, Prozac®, Prozac Weekly®, Paxil®, Paxil CR®, Zoloft® — should be banned, and probably will within 5 years.

Savage is wrong and, by the way, also an ass.

I'm thinking that they probably have their place in the treatment regimens, but abrupt withdrawal is what triggers the violent reactions, and shootings.

That has not been established.

Thanks for providing such a trenchant example of the Luddite attitudes I mentioned above.

42 posted on 02/20/2008 4:29:51 PM PST by Petronski (Nice job, Hillary. Now go home and get your shine box.)
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To: do not press 2 for spanish
More like the problem is that the patients have deeper problems that require a little bit of detention in an appropriate facility, and more powerful drugs.

All that's happening is Prozac, et al, are zonking them just a tad and keeping them quiet, and then they get antsy (as their problem progresses), quit the drug and now we have the full blown crazy guy we would have seen develop slowly over several months rather than over night.

43 posted on 02/20/2008 4:29:52 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: do not press 2 for spanish

I have taken all three, Xanax, Zoloft and Ambien without any problems at all. Trying to get off the Zoloft now after many years. The side effects from withdrawal are awful. Xanax when used properly is a great drug for dealing with anxiety. As with anything, moderation and knowing your own body make a big difference.


44 posted on 02/20/2008 4:31:42 PM PST by txlurker
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To: Petronski
Savage is wrong and, by the way, also an ass.

You are correct...

45 posted on 02/20/2008 4:33:53 PM PST by txlurker
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To: muawiyah

Bring back the asylums and institutions? I’d second that after seeing so many wacko and violent ‘homeless street people’ in the major cities, over the years I traveled on business.


46 posted on 02/20/2008 4:36:25 PM PST by do not press 2 for spanish
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To: do not press 2 for spanish

I can take cold remedies - like Nyquil . It seems that a week or two after stopping, I get the most horrific nightmares that are surrealisticly bizarre and summon up so much angst that when I recall they months later, they are still chilling.


47 posted on 02/20/2008 4:37:48 PM PST by spanalot
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To: txlurker

“I have taken all three, Xanax, Zoloft and Ambien without any problems at all”

At the same time? Or at different times?


48 posted on 02/20/2008 4:38:27 PM PST by do not press 2 for spanish
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To: txlurker
Xanax when used properly is a great drug for dealing with anxiety.

I couldn't agree more.

49 posted on 02/20/2008 4:39:18 PM PST by ShadowDancer ( Losers always look for excuses. Winners never quit.)
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To: spanalot

“...I get the most horrific nightmares that are surrealisticly bizarre and summon up so much angst that when I recall they months later, they are still chilling.”

You know my ex, too?


50 posted on 02/20/2008 4:39:58 PM PST by do not press 2 for spanish
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