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Experian Sues Lifelock, Alleges Fraud
Redtape MSNBC ^ | Wednesday, February 20 | Bob Sullivan

Posted on 02/20/2008 4:16:24 PM PST by APRPEH

Credit bureau Experian is suing the identity theft prevention firm LifeLock, accusing it of deception and fraud in its familiar advertising campaign, which includes a spot in which CEO Todd Davis reveals his Social Security number and then brags about the effectiveness of the company’s protections.

In the lawsuit, filed in U.S. District Court on Feb. 13, Experian contends that LifeLock's advertising is misleading and that the firm is breaking federal law in the way it goes about protecting consumers.

Lifelock CEO Davis, in an interview with msnbc.com on Wednesday, called the lawsuit baseless and said that Experian is simply upset that his firm is challenging its business model.

"This lawsuit is not about helping consumers," he said. "They just want to make more money selling their data."

LifeLock’s ubiquitous marketing campaign has been stepped up in recent months, Davis said, thanks to a new infusion of investments in the company. In January, the firm announced it had raised $25.5 million in funding orchestrated by Goldman Sachs Group. The advertising has apparently paid off: Lifelock has 700,000 customers, each paying about $10 per month for the service.

Experian contends that LifeLock's chief ID theft prevention tool -- the placing of continuous fraud alerts on consumers' credit files – is illegal because, under the Fair Credit Reporting Act, fraud alerts can only be requested by the individual consumer or an individual acting on behalf of the consumer.

(Excerpt) Read more at redtape.msnbc.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: creditbureaus; experian; fraudalerts; lifelock
Central District of CA filing
1 posted on 02/20/2008 4:16:26 PM PST by APRPEH
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To: APRPEH
Lifelock Brainblock, Lifeblock, Brainlock
2 posted on 02/20/2008 4:17:24 PM PST by APRPEH (Fred, say it ain't so.......)
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To: APRPEH
"Experian contends that LifeLock's chief ID theft prevention tool -- the placing of continuous fraud alerts on consumers' credit files – is illegal..."

Yep, the Credit Bureaus should allow you to put a permanent fraud alert on your credit if you want one, but they don't so they can soak you for more money.

It's all about the money. They don't care about your credit at all.

3 posted on 02/20/2008 4:19:35 PM PST by GourmetDan
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To: APRPEH

I heard somewhere that Todd Davis of Lifelock has a shady past as scam artist.


4 posted on 02/20/2008 4:23:48 PM PST by SpaceBar
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To: SpaceBar

its not Todd Davis but Robert Maynard, his former founding partner


5 posted on 02/20/2008 4:29:52 PM PST by APRPEH (Fred, say it ain't so.......)
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To: GourmetDan
And another thing ... there are PIN codes for everything from $10 knap-sacks from WalMart to lock boxes containing millions in gold or whatever.

Why ...

again, I ask

Why

can't (won't) the phone company provide a simple 4 digit lock for we whom have teenagers ????

6 posted on 02/20/2008 4:36:59 PM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: APRPEH

This should get interesting. Are they gonna sue Obama too? After all his Hope speeches are another consumer fraud.


7 posted on 02/20/2008 4:47:10 PM PST by Cacique (quos Deus vult perdere, prius dementat ( Islamia Delenda Est ))
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To: APRPEH
...under the Fair Credit Reporting Act, fraud alerts can only be requested by the individual consumer or an individual acting on behalf of the consumer.

Well, duh, when you sign up with somebody like Lifelock aren't you in turn asking them to act on your behalf to request the fraud alert?

I suspect Experian is up to something here... not sure what it is...

8 posted on 02/20/2008 4:47:37 PM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: APRPEH

Something smells odd here.


9 posted on 02/20/2008 5:02:38 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: APRPEH; All

No, the REAL point is our social security numbers are being used for IDENTIFICATION and how many other things for which they are not intended. Thanks FDR, I may have to make a trip to New Hyde Park to empty my bladder.


10 posted on 02/20/2008 5:03:58 PM PST by britt reed (What if the Founding Fathers had "just stayed home"?)
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To: APRPEH

It’s a shame our government has let it go so far that Americans have to buy Identity Insurance because Illegal Aliens are stealing our identity.


11 posted on 02/20/2008 5:07:48 PM PST by Haddit (A Hunter Conservative)
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To: britt reed

Everyone from the phone company to my insurance company insists on having my SS #, despite the fact that its is not to be used in this way. Where the heck is John Edwards when we really need him ?


12 posted on 02/20/2008 5:08:15 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (ENERGY CRISIS made in Washington D. C.)
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To: Ramius
The problem is, if a fraud alert is placed on your ID, it makes opening new accounts more troublesome. Also, if it cuts down on the automated mailings for "pre-approved" offers, then Experian can't sell your info to credit card companies, banks, etc.

I am surprised that neither Equifax nor Trans Union has weighed in on this.

Cheers!

13 posted on 02/20/2008 5:32:56 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: GourmetDan
It might not be permanent, but you can have a fraud alert put on your credit report, for no charge, and it stays on for five years, IIRC. I just updated my own, at no cost to myself.
14 posted on 02/20/2008 5:33:38 PM PST by grellis ("Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn’t make any sense at all.” —Ronald Reagan)
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To: APRPEH; GourmetDan; SpaceBar; knarf; Cacique; Ramius; redgolum; britt reed; Haddit; ...

Bull-shi’ite. I’m a subscriber and I can guess what’s really going on here.

Lifelock makes the credit reporting agencies (Experian, Equifax, TransUnion) run full credit reports and fraud alerts (re #13) for it’s customers every three months and send notification letters.

Lifelock’s business model is taking a bite out of Experian’s and Experian is going judge-shopping to stop it.


15 posted on 02/20/2008 5:39:05 PM PST by sinanju
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To: sinanju
Yes; but in addition, Lifelock promises to stop the "pre-approved offers" which is a source of revenue for the agencies...

Cheers!

16 posted on 02/20/2008 5:45:05 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Whoops! That’s right. That must be why I feel so ronery when I open the mailbox these days...

If it wasn’t for the regular entreaties from the RNC and the various conservative magazines, I’d slit my wrists.


17 posted on 02/20/2008 5:50:45 PM PST by sinanju
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To: sinanju
I'm not a subscriber, and I have a fraud alert on my reports. I first put it on six or seven years ago and just updated it this January. Didn't cost me a dime.

Yes, it makes opening a new line of credit more troublesome, but that is a good thing. Those "instant credit, save 10%" gimmicks at department stores--I can't qualify for those now. Good thing. I didn't need credit cards for Men's Wearhouse, Art Van, Victoria's Secret, or any other store, as it turns out. Now, I go shopping when I have money.

18 posted on 02/20/2008 6:02:01 PM PST by grellis ("Turning the Party over to the so-called moderates wouldn’t make any sense at all.” —Ronald Reagan)
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To: APRPEH
Some suggestions via Clark Howard:

Information on how to freeze your credit.

Call 1-888-5-OPT-OUT to stop credit card pre-approvals.

Go to annualcreditreport.com to get information about getting your free annual credit report from each credit reporting company.
19 posted on 02/20/2008 6:14:37 PM PST by Lord Basil
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To: Lord Basil

Clark also says that, though Lifelock does something you could do for yourself for free, they DO actually provide the service they promise.


20 posted on 02/20/2008 6:20:37 PM PST by beezdotcom
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To: 21stCenturion

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21 posted on 02/20/2008 6:58:43 PM PST by 21stCenturion ("It's the Judges, Stupid !")
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To: sinanju
doesn't sound right. the bureaus must provide, upon request 1 consumer report per consumer per 12 months. the fraud alert "entitles" the consumer to a credit report 2 times during a 12 month period. if there is a fourth report, you are paying cash for it. Experian, fwiw, is the repository of the information and in the end will make certain that they protect what is theirs. the allegations of the case are interesting. i posted the filing above.
22 posted on 02/20/2008 7:29:05 PM PST by APRPEH (Fred, say it ain't so.......)
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To: grellis
It might not be permanent, but you can have a fraud alert put on your credit report, for no charge, and it stays on for five years, IIRC.

I was a victim of identity theft a couple of years ago. My understanding from that experience is an individual can activate a fraud alert, but it only stays in effect for either 6 mos. or 90 days, something like that. But it definitely expires in less than a year and requires reactivation. You can get the fraud alert to stay activated for 5 years ONLY if there was a police report generated as a result of credit fraud against your SSN. Lifelock just does the reactivation for you automatically, and eliminates about 90% of the junk mail credit-offers.

23 posted on 02/20/2008 8:47:34 PM PST by Prince Caspian (Don't ask if it's risky... Ask if the reward is worth the risk)
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To: beezdotcom

LifeLock tells you straight up that what they do you can do yourself for free.

I am a paying customer primarily to cut down on the garbage credit solicitations. You won’t know until its too late if a credit card app mailed to you gets stolen and someone else fills it out.

Their site says every 90 days they will reinstate the fraud protection.


24 posted on 02/20/2008 8:58:09 PM PST by SFC Chromey (We are at war with Islamofascists inside and outside our borders, now ACT LIKE IT!)
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To: GourmetDan

I don’t trust either the credit reporting companies or what are most likely their biggest customers, the credit card companies. Confidence game all around.


25 posted on 02/20/2008 9:44:43 PM PST by HeartlandOfAmerica (Don't blame me - I voted for Fred and am STILL a FredHead!)
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To: GourmetDan

That is correct. I know plenty of people with outstanding character with bad credit. I know crooks with excellent credit. Your credit rating has less to do with your character than it does with others’ abilities to make money off of you. Pay off a big bill all at one and your credit rating will DROP.


26 posted on 02/20/2008 11:09:37 PM PST by Lexinom (McCain: Bob Dole with a temper)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica

No, and I’m heartened to see a few folks here not assuming the credit bureaus’ integrity as a given. Same thing goes for “bank fraud” - what about the fraud committed by the banks themselves, like ordering transactions to maximize overdraft damage regardless of order in which the checks are cashed, and holding your own money for 24 hours regardless of having never deposited a bad check.


27 posted on 02/20/2008 11:13:48 PM PST by Lexinom (McCain: Bob Dole with a temper)
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To: SFC Chromey

It should not be a citizen’s responsibility to do this paper-pushing type of work to protect his good name when our nation and economy needs more real work (engineering, labor) and LESS paper pushing. Institute the death penalty for anyone caught committing fraud and make an example or two, and fraud will drop considerably.


28 posted on 02/20/2008 11:17:48 PM PST by Lexinom (McCain: Bob Dole with a temper)
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To: knarf

Just so I understand you. You want a PIN so you can keep the kids off the phone?


29 posted on 02/20/2008 11:34:53 PM PST by Straight Vermonter (Posting from deep behind the Maple Curtain)
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To: Nailbiter

ping for later


30 posted on 02/21/2008 1:12:33 AM PST by Nailbiter
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To: APRPEH

These folks deserve each other. There is a much better alternative to protecting your credit, and neither of these organizations want you to know about it because it resolves most of the potential problems with identity theft quickly and relatively cheaply. It’s called a credit freeze, and depending on where you live it will cost you a maximum of $30.00 to do one with all three credit reporting agencies. If you need to unfreeze your credit (to apply for a loan, credit card, etc.) you can do it, but there is a fee attached. In the long run it’s a lot cheaper than what one of these credit protection organizations charge, and a whole lot cheaper than dealing with identity theft. It will put a crimp in any impulse credit purchases you want to make, but that’s probably a good thing.

You can read more about it Clark Howard’s website. http://clarkhoward.com/topics/credit_freeze_states.html


31 posted on 02/21/2008 2:24:40 AM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Straight Vermonter

Not anymore.


32 posted on 02/21/2008 2:33:39 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: HeartlandOfAmerica
"I don’t trust either the credit reporting companies or what are most likely their biggest customers, the credit card companies. Confidence game all around."

If you think about it, it's like me handing out your personal credit information and if I make a mistake it's your problem and your responsibility to fix it.

Oh, and I don't give you any way to stop me from doing that on a permanent basis because it would be too inconvenient for me.

Nice racket.

33 posted on 02/21/2008 5:51:11 AM PST by GourmetDan
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To: RKBA Democrat
the credit freeze is a false sense of security

less than 30% of identity tyep fraud involves credit and therefore a credit report.

34 posted on 02/21/2008 7:44:13 AM PST by APRPEH (Fred, say it ain't so.......)
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To: Lexinom

I concur, however the most egregious violator of individual privacy rights is the FEDGOV.

Good luck finding one person in that behomoth that will take responsibility for lost or stolen data.


35 posted on 02/21/2008 1:10:13 PM PST by SFC Chromey (We are at war with Islamofascists inside and outside our borders, now ACT LIKE IT!)
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To: APRPEH

it wouldn’t hurt my feelings a bit if the credit police took a hit.


36 posted on 02/21/2008 3:30:01 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (unavailable for comment)
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To: APRPEH; All
I've contended for years that a smart lawyer could argue that one's personal data is unique to him and therefore copyrightable.

then companies that traffic in such data for a profit would owe royalties to each person whose data they sell.

that would make them accountable. it might even induce them into another line of work.

37 posted on 02/21/2008 3:32:32 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (unavailable for comment)
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To: APRPEH

Screw Experian.

They make their money selling people’s SSNs and credit history without their knowledge or permission. I hope this guy takes a huge bite out of their ill-gotten profits.


38 posted on 02/21/2008 3:53:39 PM PST by Skooz (Any nation that would elect Hillary Clinton as its president has forfeited its right to exist.)
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